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Wa state alert: Seattle mayor will ban guns

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Dave Workman, Nov 22, 2008.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Well-Known Member

    Advisory Only:

    Seattle, WA Mayor Greg Nickels has announced that he will — in defiance of an advisory opinion from the attorney general that says he can't — enact a ban on legally-carried, concealed handguns on city property (parks, the Seattle Center, etc)

    This is an attempt to break state preemption, which has been on the books for more than 20 years, perhaps 25, and is the model for many other state preemption laws.

    If you live in Washington and visit Seattle occasionally or live there, a PUBLIC HEARING on this proposal is scheduled December 15 at 6:30 p.m. at City Hall in Seattle.

    Written comments can be submitted at http://seattle.gov/firearmsrule/

    PLEASE: If you submit written comments, be polite, brief, and stay on message.

    Article 1, Section 24 of the WA State Constitution notes:

    The Right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired..."

    The State Preemption statute is RCW 9.41.290

    Consult also RCW 9.41.300
  2. harmonic

    harmonic member

    Just curious, but is this rat a native born Washingtonian, or did he come from somewhere else?

    I ask, cause a lot of formerly nice metropolitan areas have been absolutely contaminated by transplants.
  3. PBinWA

    PBinWA Well-Known Member

    Comment sent. Hope it helps. With the current batch of elected officials in this state we are going to be seeing a lot of this.
  4. armoredman

    armoredman Well-Known Member

    So, if the state Attorney General has stated that this law would be illegal, then I would assume it would have no force at all, and be null and void at enactment?
  5. expvideo

    expvideo Well-Known Member

    City lands are not "private" property. They are public property. This is because the city is not a person or a corporation, but a public entity.

    I will ignore this illegal law and continue to carry my weapon. I'm not researching it right this moment, but what the Mayor is doing is a crime and he should be arrested for it. Enacting an illegal law and trying to stop me from carrying a gun is itself illegal. He should be arrested and tried on this law. I'll research it later.

    ETA: OK, fine. I researched it. What the mayor is doing is a violation of both state law:

    and federal law:

    Last edited: Nov 22, 2008
  6. JEL

    JEL Member

    He's not a Wa native. Not too surprising here, but he's from Chicago, IL.....
  7. David904

    David904 Well-Known Member

    Cripes... They're like a disease.
  8. wep45

    wep45 Well-Known Member

    he's from Chicago, IL

    :eek: get your citizens to ban together now and impeach the S.O.B. :D then buy a one way grey hound ticket and ship his sorry ass back to daly world:evil:
  9. t3rmin

    t3rmin Well-Known Member

    Tyrant. No better way to describe somebody like that.
  10. TheFringe

    TheFringe Well-Known Member

    Slightly off topic but ironic nonetheless:
    Recently a lady was babysitting 10 kids including one of her own near the fountain area in the Seattle Center grounds. A security guard approached and informed her that "the naked bicyclists will be passin by here shortly, and you may want to take the young kids elsewhere if you or they are sensitive to that kind of thing." Thinking they would just be riding by, she felt no need to relocate, and not being an uptight-type thought the kids may actually get a laugh out of it.

    Well it turns out the bicyclists stopped near the fountain and jumped in with the kids, all the while shakin and struttin their stuff if you get my drift. Most of the bicyclist's genitalia had been painted bright colors to highlight their equipment. The woman and kids began to grow uncomfortable with the raucousness of this group and their gratuitous flaunting right in front of several 5-10 year old startled children. The woman asked the security guard to send them along, and he informed her that it is perfectly legal for them to be nude in the Seattle Center and he could do nothing. The lady then called the Mayor's office and got the SAME RESPONSE ! There were not even any signs posted announcing this 'event' so that those who don't condone this behaviour could choose not to be present.

    Now I am a long-haired Rock musician and have nothing against nudists or nudist colonies as long as they are not out to flaunt the behaviour for shock value, but rather truly prefer this lifestyle in their own homes/property or designated areas where it will not come as a shock or surprise to view people in the buff.

    Heck of a message the mayor is sending here: It's okay to display EXPOSED genitalia in the Seattle Center, but not okay to carry a legally CONCEALED firearm.
  11. NavyLCDR

    NavyLCDR member

    Probably nobody in the mayor's office will read it or give a rat's behind about it, but I sent it anyway, via the website:

    Dear Mayor Nickels,

    I find it appalling that you would seek to limit legal behavior conducted by the most law abiding populations in the nation: both concealed pistol permit holders and those who choose to exercise their Federal and Washington state constitutionally protected rights to arm themselves for self defense by legally carrying a firearm openly.

    Your proposed admistrative rule will do nothing to hinder criminals from carrying their weapons and will do nothing to enhance their sentences simply due to the fact that the rule is in violation of RCW 9.41.290.

    In fact, your action opens yourself to criminal prosecution for official misduct under RCW 9A.80.010 and 18 USC 242.

    Sir, if you choose to enact this administrative rule and attempt to enforce it, I sincerely hope that the above state and Federal statutes are also enforced and prosecution subsequently sought after.

    Very Respecfully,
    John H....
  12. Xhairs

    Xhairs Member

    More like a fungus.

    Letters sent.
  13. NavyLCDR

    NavyLCDR member

    VD. The more they screw people, the further it spreads.
  14. ar10

    ar10 Well-Known Member

    City of Clyde OH tried that and appealed. It ended up in the Ohio SP. Guess what Clyde LOST.
  15. armoredman

    armoredman Well-Known Member

    I hopt this individual is tried by a jury of his peers, and gets to spend some quality time with his favorite constituents, behind bars.
  16. BBQLS1

    BBQLS1 Well-Known Member

    It would be good if the folks of Seattle would legally remove the mayor from office. It would be a good message for mayors like this in the country.
  17. MagnumDweeb

    MagnumDweeb Well-Known Member

    There are some days I want to step off the 'highroad' and say some expletive riddled rants. I'm guessing I'm not the only person who thinks that some folks from Chicago should have never been allowed to leave Chicago. I know two good south(as in Florida) loving Chicago refugees at my gym and they stopped going back to visit family five years ago because it has gotten so bad.

    It may not be highroad so administrator feel free to delete if you think so but folks from Chicago, the state of California, Boston, Detroit, New York City, New Jersey, should have to take a test before they are allowed to leave. If they are way to the left liberal anti-2nd Amendment(Anti-BOAs) then they can't leave, if they want to get out of the people's paradise of liberal-world and respect the 2nd-Amendment and don't want to spread the infection then they can be allowed to leave. If they go back on their word then a permit can be issued for their capture and thrown back. Of course this is all a joke...for now...today....we'll have to see what the future holds.
  18. sailortoo

    sailortoo Well-Known Member

    Message sent. I'm in NM now, but hold a Wash. state CPL, and have family in the (crime ridden) Seattle area - so it does impact me, even though an out of state person. The arrogance of the attempt is what burns me - we little folk are supposed to follow his "law", but he isn't interested in following established state law! I kind of hope he pulls it off, so the next step is an indictment of "His Honor".
  19. mgregg85

    mgregg85 Well-Known Member

    The mayor sounds like a jerk who is just doing this for publicity and he will be wasting loads of his city's money trying to defend his illegal actions.
  20. TheFringe

    TheFringe Well-Known Member

    Interesting that the mayor had no comment on this incident from 2 years ago:

    ".......According to Seattle police, Culotti assaulted a man in Westlake Plaza shortly after 11 a.m. Saturday in what is believed to be an unprovoked attack.

    The victim of the attack, identified by police as a 52-year-old man, pulled out a .357-caliber revolver and fired one round, striking Culotti in the abdomen. Culotti later died.

    The 52-year-old had a concealed-weapons license and was in legal possession of the handgun, police said. He was questioned by police after the shooting and later released.


    In this case the attacker, while high on crack and 'just turning his life around' approached the random victim, then in front of many witnesses during the busy downtown lunch hour loudly exclaimed "I'm going to KILL you.." The prison-hardened punk then proceeds to pummel the hapless passerby to the ground and does not stop. Victim pulls his legally carried revolver and ends the attack with one shot just before passing out.

    It should also be noted that just a few weeks ago, a well known and beloved Seattle street performer (The Tuba Man) was beat to death by a pack of 'urban' thugs for his pocket change. The gentleman was performing in an area that could be considered Seattle city property which straddles the Seattle Center. This victim did not carry and sadly paid the price. Also last year a young female green-cause activist was randomly murdered in the early evening hours just outside her apartment by a knife-wielding, psychotic madman. Her screams went ignored in this liberal East Seattle neighborhood. Maybe if these folks had been carrying they would still be alive today like the victim of the first attack outlined above.

    The mayor had no comments following these incidents either.

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