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"Walking With Prehistoric Beasts"--what about HUNTING them?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Cosmoline, May 8, 2005.

  1. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    I've been watching the show "Walking with Prehistoric Beasts" on Discovery. These episodes focus on some pretty recent extinct species from the Pleistocene. These species interest me greatly. Frankly I know enough about the dinosaurs to know 90% of what we think we know about the creatures is just educated guessing based on some ancient bone scraps

    But when we're looking at the pleistocene, we're on much firmer ground. The fossils are often almost totally intact, and we've even found hides and soft tissues. Plus, many of the brutes are still with us.

    I must say I'd love to see some of these guys back in the woods up here, and if they could revive the genetics I'd support reintroduction. The woolly mammoth in particular would be a fantastic game animal. Something like an elephant, but much better adapted to the boreal forest and tundra. The big saber tooth would also be cool. And of course the ultimate northern predator--Arctodus simus, or short-faced bear. There are many legends of what the Yupik call the "shrew bear" which match the fossils of the short-faced bear. These beasts were said to be far more aggressive and lethal than any griz. If the legends are indeed a cultural memory of what must have been *very* memorable bears, then they were still running around up here within the past few thousand years.

    At the very least, reintroduction would provide ample justification for me to buy at least two more very large rifles. And on that basis alone it would be well worth while. Go science go! :evil:
  2. jeff-10

    jeff-10 Well-Known Member

    I read a few years ago the Japanese want to clone Mammoths and open a theme park or something in Siberia. Could be just net rumor who knows. Anyways hunting cave bears, cave lions, giant elk or wooly rhinos? If ancient man could do it with stone spears and flint arrow heads I figure we could develop something real easy. Too bad when we had the last land bridge connecting Siberia to Alaska we didn't get any tigers there. Would make for some interesting hunting.
  3. thorn726

    thorn726 Well-Known Member

  4. bad LT

    bad LT Well-Known Member

    Can anybody say 700 NITRO ( :evil: ). It should be perfect for this application.
  5. Preacherman

    Preacherman Well-Known Member

    No, thanks... if I've got to take on anything worse than what we've got running around at the moment, I want - at a minimum - something armored and on tracks, with a main gun of at least 20mm. in caliber, preferably with a very high rate of fire, terminal projectile guidance, and highly explosive shells interspersed with depleted uranium penetrator rounds. Now, that should see off Mr. Wooly Mammoth, Mr. Sabre-Tooth Tiger and Mr. Short-Faced Bear quite satisfactorily!

  6. RevDisk

    RevDisk Well-Known Member

    Heh, small game (Utah rapters and such), FAL would do nicely

    Larger game (T-texes and such), Barrett with lots of mags. Preferably SLAP rounds.


    Ultralarge game? RPG-7, firing PG-7VR rounds. The PG-7VR can blast through 1.5m of reinforced concrete. I haven't heard of any dinosaurs that have any bone thicker than 1.5m. If any dinosaurs like that existed and were cloned, you would deserve to be trampled to death for being stupid enough to hassle one.
  7. CleverName

    CleverName Well-Known Member

    .577 T-Rex. Let me say it again.

    .577 T-REX
  8. boofus

    boofus Guest

    Umm, I'd feel safer hunting dinosaurs inside a tank I think. Weren't the big lizards' nervous systems so primitive that they could suffer a killing blow and not know it and still thrash around for a while?

    Plus the tank would come in handy for anti-zombie exercises. :neener:
  9. Number 6

    Number 6 Well-Known Member

    Not to go too far off topic, but they have been trying clone them for a few years now. They were using mammoths that they dug out of the ice in Siberia, but the big problem was that even though they have been frozen for a few thousand years the DNA deteriorated to the point that it was not usable.

    Now if I were somewhere where dinosaurs were present, the gun I would want to use would be the one attached to a tank. I don't think there would ever be too much gun when hunting that type of game.
  10. MLH

    MLH Well-Known Member

    The tank would also be handy

    For hauling your prize home! :neener: :D
  11. birddog

    birddog Well-Known Member

    I think if prehistoric critters -- especially dangerous ones like the T-Rex and the sabretooth -- were around the subject of hunting them would be moot. THR posts wouldn't be "what's the best round to hunt..." it would be "what's the best round to protect myself if a T-Rex jumps me on the way to the 7-11?". I think we'd see far more posts in Strategies & Tactics than in Hunting. Perhaps a new THR category would be developed: Surviving Predation.

  12. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Sus Venator

    Just what part of Siberia do the Japanese own so that they could open a theme park?

    As for the last land bridge and not getting tigers, we may have, or at least lions. There is some debate about whether either lions or tigers (or both) came across and were in Alaska at about 100kbp. Of course, the saber-tooth tiger is not an actual tiger.

    What? Just when do most animals suffer killing blows and know it? Given that none ever suffers a killing blow and survives, then none have the experience of having suffered a killing blow and survived such that the next time they suffered a killing blow they would know they should be dead.

    I know I have seen footage of humans with their superior nervous systems who have suffered kills blows, automotive impacts, and gun shots that thrashed around for a while before the onset of death. I have read the accounts of soldiers in battle suffering gunshot wounds and not knowing it until after the battle was over, either because they discovered they were bloody, somebody else pointed it out, or they dropped due to blood loss.

    Whether or not the nervous system is considered primitive doesn't seem to matter when it comes to being cognitive about recognizing whether or not one has suffered a 'death blow.' Either that, or maybe humans are a lot more primitive than we realize.
  13. mike1966ga

    mike1966ga Active Member

    Well now, I do not know about the rest of you but I really, and I mean really like being on the top of the food chain, and I am not to keen on the idea of recreating something that could eat me in one bite ( saw it in a movie and it did not work out to well) it would be like a salmon trying to get the best of a big brown :confused:
    you people need a new hobby if you think you need to hut an animal the size of a large house :neener:
  14. jobu07

    jobu07 Well-Known Member

    No no no! I think we all know that the biggest problem that we would see after dino's were cloned is the onset of Mutant Zombie Dinosaur Bikers or MZDBs. :D
  15. rwc

    rwc Well-Known Member

    .50 BMG to hunt (Is it "hunting" if you are in a tank and invulnerable?)

    For defense, a flamethrower (I would bet that even dino.s know what fire is), a high capacity shotgun with shaped charge tipped slugs, and a 40mm repeating grenade launcher with each round's fuse set for progressively shorter arming distances.

    And a helo to get out of Dodge.
  16. bakert

    bakert Well-Known Member

    A few years ago at the Falls Of The Ohio State park they had an exhibition of dinosaur skeletons from the size of a large chicken to a T-Rex. Can any of you imagine a world with these creatures running around eating on each other. They also have on permanent display a woolly Mammoth skeleton that is pretty impressive. I've read articles by people that claim the woolly mammoth was still alive in the Pacific northwest in the 1500s and that there are Indian ledgends about them. Although it's an interesting topic, being a rather timid soul where creatures are concerned that claw and chaw on things and some that eat meat, for my part I say Let sleeping dogs or dinosaurs lie. :D
  17. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Well-Known Member

    Looks like someone is actually trying to do this at the Mammoth Creation Project:

    "The scientists with the Mammoth Creation Project are hoping to find a mammoth that is sufficiently well preserved in the ice to enable them to extract sperm DNA from the frozen remains.

    They will then inject the sperm DNA into a female elephant, the mammoth's modern-day counterpart. By repeating the procedure with offspring, scientists say, they could produce a creature that is 88 percent mammoth within 50 years. "


    Apparently the team is in Siberia right now looking for intact DNA strands
    Now Jurassic Park is a fantasy, unlikely to ever really happen. But pleistocene park? Is this enough justification to buy a .375 H&H?
  18. bad LT

    bad LT Well-Known Member

  19. svtruth

    svtruth Well-Known Member

    Right Round

    Dinos were long gone by the time Homo sap appeared, but our ancestors hunted and killed the mammoths and bears with stone tipped spears. Talk about tough guys.
  20. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    The state museum in Indianapolis had a couple of skeletons of the short-faced bear which were as numerous as squirrels here thousands of years ago. Bigger, and more aggressive than a grizzly bear and could run as fast as a horse. :uhoh:

    Of course, that was before Hoosiers. :D What do you call a short-faced bear in Indiana--extinct, or about to become that way! *front sight, press* :D

    They pulled a mammoth out of the ground on one of my former secretary's land here. It's now in the Field museum in Chicago. If I had to shoot it with something handheld, I cannot imagine anything other than a 4 bore rifle. :scrutiny:

    Maybe something on a tripod and belt fed and water-cooled. No reason to be "sporting" when extinction is called for.

    The prehistoric critter that keeps me up at night when I am not worrying about bears, pumas and magic unicorns, is that meat-eating ostrich with an axe beak in South America. It stood 9 feet tall and could run up to 50 mph. :what:

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