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was handcuffed for 1.5 hours then free

Discussion in 'Legal' started by yongxingfreesty, Apr 19, 2007.

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  1. yongxingfreesty

    yongxingfreesty Well-Known Member

    This is what happened.

    A friend of mine sold a ps3 on craigslist earlier in the day. The buyer calls back later during the evening saying he wants a refund and threatening him that if he doesn't get his money he will kill him. My friend doesn't care about the money and says okay, just dont bring your boyfriend and come alone.

    We meet them at a gas station and it looks like there are two people in the car so we leave. Next thing you know, they leave right after tailing behind a couple of feet. We are in a RSX and he is in an Audi a4 turbo w/ chrome rims and HIDs, we can't lose him so we turn into the neighborhood give him some twisty roads, but he is still very close to us. We then decide that we need to get on the freeway, but the guy calls while we are driving and threatened us again for messing up his tires while chasing us.

    We get on the freeway and they crash their car turning too fast, my friend panicked and was still driving at high speeds which led to him crashing his car into a pillar underneath a freeway.

    We call the cops and they arrive. First one cop then seven cop cars and three wreckers. I show the police my CHL and DL and they ask me to put the weapons in the trunk. I do as they say and they question us. Next thing you know, they cuffed us and said we're not arrested but it is for safety reasons.

    I had a 1911, usp, glock 19 and ak47 in the trunk. There are a total of four people in the car including two CHL. This lady cop comes up to me and ask why so many weapons and I say it's for worse case scenario and she tells me I don't need a fu*king ak47. She then says I have too many weapons and I ask her am I only allowed to carry one. She didnt say anything and another male officer came to ask for name, address, dob, address, etc.

    We are then driven to the place of where the other car crashed. They screw up big time when they lie to the police. First thing they said was they dont know us. My friend showed the police officer the name in phonebook and called the number while her phone rang. The lady cop got pretty upset when she found out they were not tellin the truth. The cops check my guns and they are clean and have not been fired yet.

    Funny thing is, one cop called over the other cops to check out my weapons. They were playing with the ak while taking out all the rounds to put in a ziploc bag.

    The cop asked me why didn't I shoot him. I didnt think I could and told him because he was no threat to me. He said he had a moving vehicle and that was enough cause a threat. Is this true? Even if so, I would not want to deal with anything like this.

    I still have cuff marks around my wrist and my body is starting to hurt. I hope I don't wake up to all sorts of body pains.

    A couple of things I want to know are,

    Can you have a loaded magazine in the ak47 in the trunk? In the backseat?
    Can I shoot the person driving me if I don't know whether or not he has a weapon?
    Why are women cops the worse to deal with?

    After all this is done, we see an orange dodge magnum with shiny rims and HIDs parked 40yds to the side of us. They are african americans so we thought maybe he sent some people after us. We look at them and they look at us so we decided to move somewhere else. As we are moving slowly, their car moves towards us. I told me friend to stop and see what they do, they just stay put in the car so I decided to go to the trunk and grab the ak47 put the 30round magazine in and they instantly took off opposite direction of us. Is it legal in Texas to carry a rifle pointing straight up in the air?
  2. rkh

    rkh member

    :scrutiny: You were being chased and you didn't call the cops until after you crashed? You wave your AK around at the sight of african americans?


    When you realized you were being chased you should have immediately called the police. It's unreal that you didn't call until you had a smashup. Something about your story doesn't ring true. Why didnt you arrange the refund to take place in very public place? Preferably a police station.

    The cop that harassed you about all the guns in your trunk was spot on. You put yourself in a dangerous situation anticipating a gun battle... over a playstation.. that wasn't even yours. Legal or not, that was grade A stupidity.
  3. gunsmith

    gunsmith member

    Why are women cops the worse to deal with?


    To female CHP officers got me for speeding, then they discovered a failure to appear, no license and no registration!

    They kicked me lose telling me to "please get that stuff fixed"

    only take legal advice from a cop if you are paying them to be your lawyer and if they will represent you in Court.

    When they started chasing you you should have called the police immediately.
  4. yongxingfreesty

    yongxingfreesty Well-Known Member

    I was sitting in the back seat behind passenger and was too worried to call police. I didn't even think about it, kept thinking about where to go in the neighborhood because didn't want to get trapped dead end.
  5. helpless

    helpless Well-Known Member

    I agree, at some point call 911 as soon as you can. Then defend yourself. Taking your Ak out of the trunk was not bright though.

    I am a graphic designer btw, not a lawyer.
  6. Rattlesnake

    Rattlesnake Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah a vehicle is a deadly weapon. According to my dept. policy ramming is a use of deadly force, therefore we can't do it unless the other guy is committing an act that could cause serious personal injury or death, such as... ramming. I could not in all reasonableness agree with what those officers said.

    First question depends on the jurisdiction. Here in NM it is perfectly acceptable.
    I don't think I'd want to shoot the person driving me around unless I can get to the steering wheel quickly.:eek:
    They're not. You haven't met me on duty.

    All smart remarks aside, why did you let ti get that far???
  7. dave_pro2a

    dave_pro2a Well-Known Member

    Best of luck with life.

    (sorry to be so brutal man, but really, sell your guns and try not to do anything rash or brash for the next few years as you mature)
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  8. Jeff White

    Jeff White Moderator Staff Member

    Are you telling me that in California a peace officer is not required to arrest someone who has a warrant? :confused:

    Here a warrant reads:


    You are hereby commanded to arrest _____________ and bring said person without unnecessary delay before The Honorable Presiding Judge of the Circuit Court of the Fourth Judicial Circuit, Marion County, in the courtroom usually occupied by him or her in the Marion County Courthouse in the City of Salem, Illinois or if he or she is absent or unable to act, before the nearest or most accessable court in said county to answer a charge made against said person for the offense of ___________________

    It doesn't say if you you feel like arresting the person, it says you are commanded to.

  9. Bob R

    Bob R Well-Known Member

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  10. Deavis

    Deavis Well-Known Member

    You could have been killed over a PS3. Someone called you and made a death threat, so you just decided to go meet them instead of resolving it through other channels that didn't put you in danger of bodily harm? You have a CHL and had to sit through the conflict resolution portion, did anything they taught you even bubble up to the top of your thought process? I admit it isn't great training, but come on.

    a) you shouldn't be carrying weapons if you don't know the laws concerning them
    b) If you can afford a real ak-47 and jump thorugh the hoops to get it then you have no excuse for not knowing the laws

    you can walk down the street in texas with a loaded long gun. It can be in your car, your gunrack, or your trunk. It doesn't matter, the prohibition is against handguns.

    I would not recommend shooting the person driving you under any circumstances unless you have to. How are you going to control the car after you shoot the person driving you? Perhaps you want to rephrase the question?

    Depends, then agai, this was covered in your CHL class in regards to a brandishing/deadly weapon v. no deadly weapon situation. You shouild already know the answer to that question.
  11. ingram

    ingram Well-Known Member

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  12. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

  13. jeep-2

    jeep-2 Well-Known Member

    what an exciting story, i can't wait for the movie
  14. Glockfan.45

    Glockfan.45 member

    Um......wow. Lets all take this as an example of how not to deal with this type of situation. Where you went wrong.

    1.) You went to meet with a group of stangers that just made threats against your lives. You should have called the police right then.

    2.) You placed the lives of others in danger by creating a high speed pursuit. While running may have been justifiable in this case you never should have been there in the first place. Also you should have called the police when the chase began.

    3.) You were carrying weapons without knowing the laws regarding their carry. I have my own thoughts as to why you brought a trunk full of guns :scrutiny: , but since its speculation on my part I wont comment further.

    Aside from the fact that I think your trying to race bait here I see another problem with this claim. You stopped and got out of your car to grab a rifle. They made no threating gestures towards you, and your response was to brandish a weapon at them. You should have left, and if they followed you then call the police. It really sounds like you went looking for trouble in all of this to me. Do yourself and the rest of the firearms community a favor and sell your guns.

    Not my words but I do have to agree.
  15. evan price

    evan price Well-Known Member

    Wow... just.... wow.

    I call imminent thread lock on this one..!
  16. sacp81170a

    sacp81170a Well-Known Member

    Exactly. Not to get off topic, but when we run someone's DL it will show if they have any warrants. That means that at least the dispatcher will know if an officer failed to arrest someone on a warrant. :what:

    It depends on departmental policy whether they can release you with a citation and a new court date, but if the warrant is from another agency, you will be taking a trip to the greybar hotel.
  17. Geno

    Geno Well-Known Member

    I had to reread this before I posted some text. I am a strong believer in the fact of the police motto to protect and to serve. Why did you not meet at the police department or public safety parking lot?

  18. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    I just don't know where to begin.:uhoh:
  19. Kharn

    Kharn Well-Known Member

    This story's more messed up than a soup sandwich. :scrutiny:

  20. 30 cal slob

    30 cal slob Well-Known Member

    395 posts here? wow.

    much you have to learn from your encounter.

    if anything, i would have a sit-down chat with your CHP instructor and ask him what he thinks.

    if you don't get a critique from him/her - you had a bad instructor.
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