Was my advice good? Woman vs 6 Pitbulls

[LAK]

What HSO said.

I would add that she should identify the owner of the neighbor's property by full name (public records), correct address, and that all communications need to be in writing, sent registered mail or the very least certified delivery mail. Two copies (filed at home, and perhaps a trusted friend), perhaps another to an attorney. Keep a camcorder and taperecorder handy and "loaded" at all times.

I would actually recommend a side by side 12, 18" to 24" barrels, double triggers and auto ejectors. Some of the euro items coming in now are quite reasonably priced and refined. These are easy handling, quick, and an immediate followup shot is easy to master. A few shells at the ready make for fast reloads if practiced.

Also recommended is a 3" or 4" .38. Easy to shoot, effective enough, and can be carried at all times. Any long gun might be propped up against the porch or garage when actually "needed now" occurs. A newly sharpened 10" to 12" machete would be a handy item to have around as well as a failsafe or in lieu of a handgun, but she needs something on her person anytime she steps outside her doors in this case.

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[sorensen440]

Great advice the only thing I can add is a recomendation that she practices with the shotgun
I think shotguns give some people false confidence
if she hasnt tried shooting a moving target she may have difficultys if she has multiple pits (or any other dogs) coming after her or her loved ones

also bear spray is a great idea

 

[thexrayboy]

This lady has a real problem, what gun to use is the least of them. If she is attacked and doesn't have her weapon with her she is in deep doo doo. If she goes around her property all the time carrying her shotgun she could be marked as dangerous by neighbors who report her carrying it around. If she successfully shoots an animal she could be charged with a variety of offenses such as illegal discharge etc. Even if LEO etc. don't crucify her for defending herself the neighbor who owns the beasts may decide to retaliate.
Lawsuits for malicious animals work great, if the person you are suing has enough assets to make it worth your time, and the expense of lawyering up.

All in all a tough situation. One more suggestion that may make some people mad. However you don't have to use firearms to make a dangerous animal disappear. There are plenty of other methods to render them incapable of attack. And most dogs do like to eat, she can use that to her advantage if necessary. This problem could be solved chemically.

 

[ARTiger]

The woman should call the neighbor and the police and tell them she thinks the dogs are a serious threat to her and her family and that she will shoot and kill them if in her yard again - period. Even in California, she would be entirely justified.

Personally, I have 3 small children and live in a semi-rural area. We have some rednecks around that think it's their Rottweiler, pit bull, doberman's god-given right to roam wherever unfenced and not restrained to their property.

I shot a doberman last year who was 20 feet from my house growling at my 2 year old son who had climbed on his swingset to get away. Any animal on my property with no business being there with the capability of harming my family and acting in a threating manner will die - immediately.

Thankfully where I live, we are not governed, populated or intimidated by a bunch of limp-wristed liberals who think there's anything wrong with that.

"Dog people" take offense to that posture, but I call BS on that. If you love your animal so much keep it where it belongs. Your "teddy bear" Rottweiler is capable of killing small children and in my view it is the same as a bear or cougar in threat potential to my family - probably more so as it does not fear people at all. If it's on my property and so much as barks threatingly at me, my wife or kids I'll shoot it. Anyone who thinks that's wrong is in my opinion an idiot.

 

[steven58]

xylitol

Whatever she does, she should not let any dogs ingest any of the artificial sweetener "Xylitol". Apparently this stuff is harmless to people or other animals but is lethal to dogs...

See here: http://www.coxwashington.com/hp/content/reporters/stories/2006/10/01/BC_DOGS_POISON01_COX.html

It seems that Xylitol is also available quite inexpensively on line or at many health food, & vitamin stores....

See here: http://vitanetonline.com/description/11252/vitamins/Xylitol-Packets/

Unlike other toxic substances like rat poison or antifreeze, this is only dangerous to dogs and is not incriminating, I mean dangerous to any other living thing

 

[jerkface11]

Personally I'd off the alpha of the pack while the owner is away. However if that isn't a good solution for her she should NEVER mix carbide lamp fuel and dogfood and leave it where these dogs can get it. It will react with the water in their stomachs to make acetylene gas and rupture their digestive tracts. A horrible way to go. Even worse if there's an open flame nearby.

 

[Walkalong]

Pits are great dogs. They love people and are as good with people as they are unpredictable with dogs. People are the problem. A pit made mean by people is a dangerouse animal and should be shot, along with its owner, but they won't let us do that.

I have been around literally 100's of pits over the last 33 years and they are awesome dogs. My current dog is Red Boy top and bottom and wieghs about 55 lbs and his buddy the 15 lb. miniature daschund rules the roost. He is gentle as any dog can be. He would probably let you steal my stuff out back, but I would not recommend hurting his little buddy or his family.

I shot a doberman last year who was 20 feet from my house growling at my 2 year old son who had climbed on his swingset to get away. Any animal on my property with no business being there with the capability of harming my family and acting in a threating manner will die - immediately.

Thankfully where I live, we are not governed, populated or intimidated by a bunch of limp-wristed liberals who think there's anything wrong with that.

"Dog people" take offense to that posture, but I call BS on that.

I don't take offense. I would shoot him too. Or a Pit or a whatever. Mean dogs need to be exterminated.

 

[230RN]

Shotguns, handguns, loads, are all good advice.

But I also recommend she keep a pair of good long sharp butcher knives by her front door.

We had a mild Mountain Lion Problem hereabouts, and I realized that, even with all my shooting experience, if it came to a close quarter attack, I'd rather have a good long very sharp butcher knife in my hand.

Preferably one in each hand, but I use the off hand for a good flashlight.

And don't downstab. That's for the movies. Sharp edge down, blade pointing out the thumb side of your hand.

 

[SoCalShooter]

I think your suggestions to your customer were very good. I would also recommend CLAYMORES .

She definetly needs to "HOUND" AC and PD about the situation and make sure they have it all in writing so that if she has to shoot the dogs then she has a paper trail.

 

[stevemis]

Insurance!

If the neighbor has a homeowner's policy and the lady can find out who they are, all it should take is a few 8x10 color glossies of the pit bulls and the man's address.

Most insurance carriers will drop a policy at the mere sight of a pitbull. It's a liability they don't want. Trying to find a decent, affordable policy after being dropped by any carrier is an exercise in futility.

I know the insurance industry keeps a nice database on it's customers, which is shared amongst all carriers. A good attorney, private investigator or even her friendly insurance agent might be able to hook her up with the details.

I prefer the "very sneaky" approach. I'm not in the insurance industry.

Steve

 

[DReicht]

If there is one thing I hate, its animal abusers. To be so cruel as to take something like a dog, which will put its life in your hands, I put that on the level of child molestation. The people who abuse animals, fight dogs, and mistreat canines don't always get the full force of the law and sometimes it isn't enough when they do.

I don't have any advice on how to help the woman, everything has been said. I just am extremely repulsed by what some people will do.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/sadreality/1.php

For more information.

 

[waynedm]

Way to go on a shotgun, but 4 or 2 shot? Come on now.

 

[jerkface11]

I would think long gun wise a .357 lever action would be about perfect. Or if you weren't in california a keltec sub2000 in .40 with hicap mags.