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Washington Post: Obama is lying on background checks

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by AlexanderA, Apr 2, 2013.

  1. AlexanderA

    AlexanderA Well-Known Member

    This is a must-read:


    The reliably anti-gun Washington Post is calling out the Obama administration for falsely repeating the claim that "40%" of gun sales take place without a background check. The article points out that the real figure is half that much, at most. It gives Obama a rating of "3 Pinocchios." Obama is lying, and he knows he's lying.
  2. willymike

    willymike Well-Known Member

    Hmmm! "Lies, damned lies, and statistics", as Mark Twain would have stated.

    Who would expect the truth come from any politician with such an agenda as his. Who would not expect they use whatever data, credible or not, to slant the discussion to support their agenda.

    It is interesting to see the Post actually have an article calling him out.
  3. Ryanxia

    Ryanxia Well-Known Member

    Well it's something anyways.
  4. trapper1

    trapper1 Well-Known Member

    Interstesting. Can someone paste article? Can't get link to work here:banghead:
  5. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    Selecting the most supportive numbers from any source shouldn't be a surprise, but having the Washington Post point out the weakness of the President's argument AND call him a liar in print IS surprising. Good for them.
  6. itsa pain

    itsa pain member

    the pres is lying about background checks hahahaaha he could not pass one
  7. r1derbike

    r1derbike Well-Known Member

    It's about time. I wonder if his goons have threatened to cutoff hush money to WP yet?
  8. hang fire

    hang fire Well-Known Member

    AKA figures lie, and liars figure.
  9. Fishbed77

    Fishbed77 Well-Known Member

    A lying politician?

    I find that hard to believe.
  10. 9w1911

    9w1911 Well-Known Member

    Im so sick of this guy
  11. PRM

    PRM Well-Known Member

    Obama lying!!!:what: Hum, his lips must have been moving. Only 3 years and 9 months of this garbage left.
  12. AlexanderA

    AlexanderA Well-Known Member

    Update: The referenced article did not appear in this morning's print edition of the Post. This is not really surprising, given that it does not comport with the Post's antigun "party line." OTOH, since it was posted on the Web at 6:00 A.M., perhaps it missed the deadline and we'll see it in print tomorrow. Or maybe not.
  13. floydster

    floydster Well-Known Member

    PRM, he is going to introduce an executive order so he can run for a third term:)
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2013
  14. Fishslayer

    Fishslayer Well-Known Member

    Dear Leader lying? UNPOSSIBLE!:eek:
  15. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Well-Known Member

    Obama has been stretching the truth since during his campaign. No reason for it to stop as it seems to work for him.
  16. SilentStalker

    SilentStalker Well-Known Member

    Yes, this is total propaganda. This dude should be impeached for many things and this just adds to the list.
  17. Carl N. Brown

    Carl N. Brown Well-Known Member

    Well, I feel vindicated (not that I needed WP)

    I have been on top of this in other forums:
    17 Jan 2013: http://www.gunrightsmedia.com/showt...ers-no-check&p=5408337&viewfull=1#post5408337
    25 Jan 2013: http://www.gunrightsmedia.com/showt...ers-no-check&p=5408965&viewfull=1#post5408965

    Beware of Politicians Quoting Statistics...

    Q: How do you tell when a politician is lying?
    A: His lips are moving and statistics are coming out.

    Recent hearing exchange:
    The 40% stat has been repeated by Los Angeles Times quoting US VP Joe Biden, Washington Post quoting Brady Campaign, Time quoting "Gun-control advocates", New York Daily News quoting NY Gov Andrew Cuomo,

    And the 40% has been used in op-eds by Julie Roginsky at Fox News (40% of guns are not purchased though licensed dealers who do bacckground checks) and Dean Obeidallah at Huffington Post ("...40% of the guns legally sold are to people who have had no background check...").

    "40% gun sales", "40% gun buyers", "40% gunshow sales".

    The survey being cited was the 1994 National Survey on the Private Ownership and Use of Firearms, which was conducted by the survey firm of Chilton for the Police Foundation on a grant from the US Department of Justice.

    251 people in the survey sample reported "acquiring" guns during 1993-1994.

    This is "firearms acquisitions" not "gun sales". In fact, when the NSPOF asked the 251 sample

    What Best Describes HOW You Obtained Your Gun?
    73% Bought it
    19% Received it as a gift
    3% Traded something for it
    5% Inherited it

    Where did these folks "acquire" their guns?

    60% from stores (gun shops, pawnshops, sportings goods counter at a department store, etc.), which after 1968 would have to hold a Federal Firearms License and from Nov 1998 were required to run a background check on buyers.

    From What Source Did You Obtain This Gun?
    43% Gun store
    6% Pawnshop
    11% Other store
    "Stores" 60%
    4% Gun show or flea market
    3% Through the mail*
    17% Member of the family
    12% Friend or acquaintance
    4% Other
    "Not stores" 40%

    73% acquired a gun by purchase ("bought").
    60% cited the source as "stores".
    Which implies 13% bought guns from private individuals at gunshows, flea markets, friends, acquantainces, family or "Other" implying either stranger or source not given.

    27% were not a gun buyer acquiring a gun from a gun seller:
    19% Received it as a gift
    3% Traded something for it
    5% Inherited it

    The 40% "non-licensed dealer sales arrangements" include 27% gifts, trades or inheritance among family members, friends, acquaitances. BTW "unlicensed dealer" or "dealing in firearms without a federal firearms license" is a federal crime. However, ATF says giving firearms as gifts to family members or occassionally buying, selling or trading guns among family, friends or acquaintances is legal under the 1968 GCA and does not make you eligible to get a FFL.

    40 percent of gun sales take place at the gun shows and no background checks are run.

    The survey that gave 40% of gun "acquisitions" as non-store "acquisitions" did not say 40% of gun "sellers" were at gun shows and did not run background checks on gun "buyers".

    The biggest source of non-store gun acquisitions was 19% gifts from family or friends who did not run background checks on the family or friend recepients.

    Maybe 13% of gun acquisitions are private sales among family, friends, acquintances or strangers, where the private seller does not run background checks on the buyer.

    Gun shows plus flea markets were the source of firearms for 4% all gun acquistions. Most vendors at gunshows I have attended were dealers and they did run NICS background checks on me. The claim that 40 percent of gun sales take place at the gun shows without background checks is an example of Joseph Goebbel's Big Lie propaganda technique.

    AGAIN the 40% lie:
    Piers Morgan interviewing Michael Moore 19 Mar 2013:
    *NOTE on 1993-1994 mail order: the 1968 Gun Control Act outlawed mailorder gun sales. According to NIJ report authors Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig, mail orders of modern guns are shipped to local gun shops, where the sale is completed by a licensed dealer with Form 4473 (and since Nov 1998) with a background check. Only antique or replica muzzleloaders are directly sold by mail.
  18. Kim

    Kim Well-Known Member

    The MSM has been lying too and THEY know it!! Think we will see them even mention the LIE. NO. They are pressing again hard for gun control Getting hysterical again and pushing.
  19. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Well-Known Member

    Hysteria works.
  20. Black Butte

    Black Butte Well-Known Member

    The real news would be Obama being honest. That's what should be reported if it ever happens.

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