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We Need Testosterone Control! (article on mass killers)

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by 30 cal slob, Apr 24, 2007.

  1. 30 cal slob

    30 cal slob Senior Member

    Mar 2, 2004
    Location, Location!
    Blame it all on the Y chromosome, I guess.


    Looking at Shooters and Killers and Finding Men: Ann Woolner

    By Ann Woolner

    April 24 (Bloomberg) -- Of the 41 people who have taken guns to U.S. schools and opened fire since 1996, 40 of them share one trait.

    They were born with the Y chromosome.

    Maleness is the only characteristic that is common to this group, with race -- Caucasian -- coming in second. They are of different educational levels and regions. They are low achievers and high achievers. Their motives and mental states run the gamut. The youngest was 6. Another was 53.

    Together, those 40 men and boys killed 94 people on campuses, plus four more in the hours preceding their school shooting episodes. They have wounded scores more and traumatized thousands of others.

    I'm not saying boys are born killers. Only a miniscule fraction of them grow up to open fire at school or anywhere else. And chemistry isn't necessarily destiny.

    And yet, whether sparked by jealousy, retribution, psychosis, insecurity or hatred toward women, U.S. school shootings happen with regularity -- 36 in 11 years -- and all but one were committed by men or by boys.

    Maleness matters in all kinds of killings. Eighty-eight percent of U.S. homicides from 1976 to 2004 were committed by men, according to the most recent Justice Department statistics. For serial killers, the percentage rises to 93 percent.

    Whatever you have heard about the so-called feminization of the American male or about increasingly aggressive women, the lopsided nature of which sex kills the most remains.

    Widening Gap

    ``When it comes to the most serious form of aggression, murder, the gender gap is actually wider now than it was a few years ago,'' says James Fox, a Northeastern University criminal justice professor in Boston who has written about killers.

    I know. Most men channel aggression into perfectly acceptable activities. They build companies, enforce laws, repair roads, play sports, advocate causes.

    But women manage to do those things, too. Yet when violence erupts, chances are overwhelming the aggressor is a man.

    ``It's true about murder,'' Fox says. ``It's true about crime in general.''

    So what is it about men, anyway?

    A leading testosterone researcher, the late Georgia State University Professor James M. Dabbs, found that the higher the testosterone level, the more violent the person is likely to be.

    Probable Troublemakers

    Testing more than 4,000 veterans, for example, he found that the 10 percent with the most testosterone were the most probable troublemakers. These were the guys likely to have misbehaved as schoolchildren, break the law as adults, use drugs and alcohol, go AWOL from the Army and have 10 or more sex partners in a year, Dabbs found.

    He tested male and female inmates in separate research projects and found that in both populations the most violent had the highest T-levels.

    Child psychiatrist David Shaffer of Columbia University says it's not clear from testosterone research whether the hormone itself sparks aggression. It could be that, because those with more of it are larger and more muscular, they find more success at physical aggression and therefore engage in it more.

    He says there are other biological reasons for the gender gap. Men are more likely than women to lack metabolized serotonin, which is the neurotransmitter that acts as a calming influence, says Shaffer, chief of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry at Columbia University Medical Center in New York.

    Teen Suicides

    Incarcerated marines showed a dearth of the stuff in one study, he says. That was also what Shaffer found in his groundbreaking research into teen suicides, which are five to seven times more likely to be committed by males.

    Boys have another natural factor that makes them more likely to turn to aggression, he says. They are slower to learn verbal skills and tend to grab what they want.

    Beyond body chemistry, can't we assign some blame to American culture and peer pressure?

    Boys learn from other boys that being a man means being in control, says Dick Bathrick, who founded Men Stopping Violence in 1982 in Atlanta.

    ``You've got to be in control at work. You've got to be in control at home. You've got to be in control of your feelings,'' he says, according to this popular but ``very distorted concept of masculinity.''

    When losing a job, or being rebuffed romantically, or having a spouse refuse to do what one says, men are more likely than women to become violent to regain control, Bathrick says.

    Drive to Dominate

    The drive to overpower women showed up in several school shootings. Last September in Bailey, Colorado, 53-year-old Duane Roger Morrison entered a high school, took six girls hostage and sexually assaulted them. When police showed up, he shot a 16- year-old girl dead before killing himself.

    The following month, Carl Charles Roberts IV, 32, lined up girls at the West Nickel Mines Amish School and shot 10 of them, ages 6 to 13, before killing himself. Five of the girls died.

    Seung Hui Cho's anger, like the shots he fired last week at Virginia Tech, seems to have been indiscriminate. His rantings target women but also accuse the rich and the world in general. It may mean much or nothing that he previously stalked two female students, became suicidal when rebuffed and launched his deadly spree last week by first shooting a young woman in her dorm. Cho killed 32 students and teachers in all before killing himself.

    Groups such as Bathrick's have sprung up around the country to try to stop men from hurting the women in their lives. The organization also works to encourage non-violent men to challenge the misogyny and violence in others, Bathrick says.

    In Washington, Men of Strength clubs in high schools steer teenagers toward healthy ideas of what manhood means, says Patrick Lemmon, executive director of Men Can Stop Rape, which sponsors the clubs. Not to mention the work of scout troops and boys' clubs.

    No one claims an intervention of that sort could have stopped Cho, who may well have been psychotic.

    But given the gross overrepresentation of men among those who kill, rape, molest and beat, you have to hope that more men become more outraged by the damage others of their gender inflict.

    (Ann Woolner is a Bloomberg news columnist. The opinions expressed are her own.)

    To contact the writer of this column: Ann Woolner in Atlanta at awoolner@bloomberg.net .

    Last Updated: April 24, 2007 00:15 EDT
  2. JWarren

    JWarren Senior Member

    Jan 5, 2007
    MS and LA
    Me thinks someone's NOW membership has been paid-in-full.

  3. NM234

    NM234 New Member

    Apr 18, 2007
    this just makes REAL feminists look disgraceful (my sister is one). These are the women that go overboard and end up making men angry and not supporting the rightful cause of equal rights for both genders. From the two feminists I've known (my sister, and a professor of mine) have told me feminism is supposed to be about equal rights not bashing men.

    Also as far as testosterone goes, I have a test. level of 1250 taken from my most recent bloodwork (I asked my doctor to test, they usually don't just do it). The normal range is around 200-1000 ng/dl, with about 400 being where most men fall. And I've never started I fight (I've only defended myself), rarely yell, and calmly discuss things with people.

    A study was done a few years ago by the New England Journal of Medicine where they injected mentally healthy men with 500 mgs of testosterone cypionate a week, and though the men did put on muscle mass and lose fat over the 12 weeks, none of them, or their families which were thouroughly interviewed claimed any real increase in aggression. So while testosterone levels that are high has been shown to bring out underlying aggression in those with anger problems, it does not make mentally healthy men violent.
  4. Seancass

    Seancass Active Member

    May 1, 2006
    purdue, indiana
    please see Gary Alan "Alright guy"

    here i am thinking I'm decent enough, might grow up to be worth something to somebody. but i guess that dream is dead. I'm born to be violent. i guess she, being a girl, doesnt know how hard it is to go through a day with out hurting someone. I've managed to do it most of my life, but according to her i am defying the odds every time i come home without a police record. i can use this article to convince friends that guys have it harder? geez, everybody is out to classify everyone. she needs to go home and do some laundry or something. [that was a joke.]

    well, i'd love to go on, but i have to get back to my decidedly non-violent, non-angry, testosterone lacking life i live.
  5. Dr. Dickie

    Dr. Dickie Participating Member

    Apr 19, 2006
    Jacksonville Beach, FL
  6. whited

    whited Member

    Jan 23, 2007


    Men and Women are Different, Apparently!

    This just in.
  7. RevolvingCylinder

    RevolvingCylinder Active Member

    Nov 6, 2006
    She's a chauvinistic sexist pig.
  8. Titan6

    Titan6 member

    Feb 7, 2007
    Gillikin Country
    Of all the guns I have I thought that one was safe. And now they want that want too? Gun envy, pure and simple.
  9. ATW525

    ATW525 Member

    Aug 8, 2006
    Colebrook, NH
    Perhaps the solution is to ban women. Then there will be less motivation for men to commit crimes of violence. :neener:
  10. Rumble

    Rumble Active Member

    Dec 15, 2005
    Indiana, PA
    The problem is, planning violent acts really cuts into one's flexing, grunting, and leering at women time. There just aren't that many hours in a day.

    This is just like the article that suggested that the mere presence of a gun would arouse men and make them violence-prone. Hogwash.
  11. ATW525

    ATW525 Member

    Aug 8, 2006
    Colebrook, NH
    This why I carry a Glock. Ugly firearms help keep the hormones in check.
  12. MD_Willington

    MD_Willington Senior Member

    Oct 13, 2005
    Canuck in SE WA State.
    What a load... I'd comment on abortion VS homicide but that just doesn't fly on most forums...
  13. tmg19103

    tmg19103 New Member

    Apr 18, 2007
    I find this article full of discrimination and hypocrisy. So men are bad because we have more testosterone? How can I help that - I was born that was. Does being born black automatically make you a bad person because our prisons have a dis-proportionate population of African-Americans?

    I find the hypocrisy in that fact that if you dared to state that women are weak minded (which they are not) because they don't have enough testosterone, the authour would no doubt go into some hormonally induced female rage (jab intended due to the hatefulness of her thoughts).
  14. ProficientRifleman

    ProficientRifleman Active Member

    May 3, 2006
    the answer is womanhood?

    The only "PERSONS" who MIGHT be able to protect this raving mad WOMAN, are being feminized as hard and fast and from the earliest age as is possible.

    What does this FEMALE think will protect her when she has succeeded in emasculating the other half of the species?
  15. hankdatank1362

    hankdatank1362 Senior Member

    Aug 5, 2006
    Myrtle Beach
    I'd argue her point, but I'm too busy scratching, burping, yelling, shooting, and doing all the other disgusting things men do.

    Actually, I really did just let a niiiiiiiice burp rip. ;)
  16. busdriver72

    busdriver72 New Member

    Jan 12, 2004
    In view of the fact that the males in the school were hiding or heading out the windows, I'd say she has pretty well succeeded.
    That sounds harsh, I know, but wasn't there a day when males, faced with such a situation, would have at least tried to rush and overpower the guy?
    The old professor showed some testicles, but the other males didn't try to help.
  17. Sylvan-Forge

    Sylvan-Forge Participating Member

    Feb 22, 2006
    Fort Myers, Florida
  18. DogBonz

    DogBonz Senior Member

    Sep 23, 2006
    Um Hum....

    Mmmm.k :barf:

    Go sell crazy some where else... we're all stocked up here...
  19. gaston_45

    gaston_45 New Member

    Jan 1, 2003
    Sorry Dr Dickie, at least one already shot up a school, the Boomtown Rats even wrote a song about it.

    She missed this lovely mullet sporting shooter.

    Brenda Ann Spencer (born April 3, 1962 in San Diego, California, United States) wounded eight children and one police officer and killed Principal Burton Wragg, and head custodian Mike Suchar, in a shooting spree at Cleveland Elementary School in San Diego, on Monday, January 29, 1979.

    When the six-hour incident ended and the sixteen-year-old was asked why she had committed the crime, she shrugged and replied, "I don't like Mondays. This livens up the day."

    The mug shot is a classic, here's the link.

  20. offthepaper

    offthepaper Participating Member

    Dec 5, 2005
    And can anyone name another country, or another time era that this, ahem, "stat" would not hold true. Exactly what other country, or in what former era was the majority of killing committed by females. What a load of crap! The writer needs to research the life fact that since the caveman, men were the hunters and protectors, women were the nesters.

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