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What are you doing people?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Infidel4life11, Dec 25, 2012.

  1. tech30528

    tech30528 Well-Known Member

    I agree, it seems a lot of people who were on the bump as to whether or not they should be doing a little prepping have just had their minds made up for them. Those in a panic will pay dearly if they decide to start right now. But it seems that our numbers have just taken a big jump.
  2. Seventhsword

    Seventhsword Well-Known Member

    Same here, I have well over 6,000 rds of 5.56 and several AR's....:neener:
  3. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Well-Known Member

    This much, we agree on.
  4. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Well-Known Member

    ...and if you need arming right now, your fellow Americans aren't ready to put a rifle or pistol in your hand unless its at a ridiculously high amount.

    What if you don't have $3000 for the rifle you'd saved $1000 for in the first place.

    Therefore, you'd be screwed.
  5. David E

    David E Well-Known Member

    Not true. Hipoints haven't gone up, have they? You can still buy a 1911 or revolver at last months prices.
  6. stonecutter2

    stonecutter2 Well-Known Member

    God bless America
  7. stonecutter2

    stonecutter2 Well-Known Member

    This is correct.

    There are very affordable ways right now to be armed, without paying ridiculous prices. One simply has to look.
  8. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Well-Known Member

    VERY true, considering we are discussing ARs, as stated in the OP. not pistol caliber carbines or handguns. I'm aware those have not risen in price just yet. They may or may not.

    ARs have risen, become scarce, and i feel better armed with a S&W Sport with 30 round P mag than a 1911 with 7 rounds. Either is better than a sharp stick, but only one is the focus in this thread.
  9. meanmrmustard

    meanmrmustard Well-Known Member

    Unless you're on the same page as the OP, which you aren't, then you aren't armed with an AR if you can't afford it. Big mags, big accessories, big usages all across the board. I'd say the benefits of the AR outweigh PCCs, but that's off topic.

    You don't need an AR to be considered armed, nor is someone any less effective with a PCC if they know how to use it effectively. But we are discussing the flock to the AR as of recent, a formidable rifle for defense, not handguns or rifles that shoot pistol rounds.

    So, that being said, why the hell are people going crazy and trying to rob!!!
  10. Davek1977

    Davek1977 Well-Known Member

    No, they are selling at a rate at which the market has dictated.
    My job isn't to arm my neighbors or to sell my guns for what I paid for them. Making a profit when both buyer and seller are in agreement is not evil or wrong. Someone else's failure to plan does NOT constitute an emergency on my part.
    Who is forcing the hand of the buyer in ANY of these scenarios. I have something. You want it. I name my price...you can take it or leave it. How on earth is that wrong? Why should I sell to you (or anyone else) when 30 other people are lined up to double that offer? Sure, you might think I'm an alright guy for doing so, but I'd feel pretty dumb doing so, myself.
  11. Sport45

    Sport45 Well-Known Member

    It's not gouging it's selling at the going price. Just like gasoline prices go up when the supply is low.

    If the price didn't go up do you think there would be anything to buy now? What good would your "fair" price be if the shelves were empty?
  12. mcdonl

    mcdonl Well-Known Member

    Hi Point is in existance because of the last ban. No external magazine.
  13. Infidel4life11

    Infidel4life11 Well-Known Member

    I guess we all don't see my point. For as long as I can remember I bought and sold used guns for .65-.75 cents on the msrp dollar, not everytime, but mostly. And I understand more than most about how awesome it is to sell something for what you paid for it. BUT having an AR (that for the last 5years was worth $500) and selling it for $1500-2000 isn't capitalism, isn't playing the market, isn't being a good American. It's flat out taking advantage of someone. Playing on someone's FEAR to jack up prices on goods that are marginal at best. Feeding fear, panic and taking advantage of it is a tactic communist and terrorist use. Before the 2nd amendment came to be I'm sure people weren't trying to sell there rifles at BS prices and saying the government is coming to get theses so give 300% of what I paid for it. Using people's ignorance against them is wrong, if you only knew how many people asking after a shooting "I thought those guns were illegal how'd they get them" or see an AR at my store and ask if it legal to buy one or what the wait period is. Instead of taking advantage why aren't we educating people on guns. I don't know maybe I live in a time long passed.
  14. Fred_G

    Fred_G Well-Known Member

    Have you looked into supply and demand? Nobody is putting a gun to people's head and making them pay extra. Now, in say a year, if someone comes in with a gun they paid $2k for, are you going to offer them 65% of $2000, or 65% of the value of the gun?
  15. leadaddict

    leadaddict Well-Known Member

    I would disagree. (I'm not buying or selling anything right now, by the way.) The buyer is paying a premium to insure that they don't get left with nothing if Feinstein's bill goes through. $1500 would be a small price to pay for a weapon that you could never buy again. I don't think that's likely, but it's piece of mind and they are willing to pay it. If half the sellers out there decided to "be honorable" and not sell their AR's are these "inflated prices" there would be fewer AR's on the market and the price of the remaining AR's would go even higher.

    I agree that there are some out there using over-the-top rhetoric to feed the mass hysteria and that is unacceptable. Education on the what has happened with gun bans in the past and what exactly is being proposed is important and I hope people are taking the time to educate themselves before spending money on these items. No one knows what the landscape will look like by summer. In the remote chance that a transfer bad does go through, these high prices will be "the good old days".
  16. Isaac-1

    Isaac-1 Well-Known Member

    The overall one sad thing about it is the cheap AR's are the ones that are mostly going at the truely insane mulitples of their normal price. Looking at GB a few hours ago I found that the basic low end (previously $700-$800) Busmasters were selling for only slightly less than the higher end AR's that would normally sell for $1200+. If seems many of these higher end AR's, particulalry from the less well known brands are selling at only sliglhtly inflated prices (1.5 times normal market or less).
  17. Infidel4life11

    Infidel4life11 Well-Known Member

    65% of MSRP the MSRP from the manufacturers haven't changed. You don't see spike's, BCM, DD, or Noveske upping their prices.
  18. sleepyone

    sleepyone Well-Known Member


    So your idea of being a good American is to pass up the opportunity to make a profit and sell your weapons for .65 cents on the dollar when the market is dictating two or three or four times that. How that does equate to being a good American? Maybe it makes you a good Comrade. ;) These people are now scrambling to buy weapons that most of us on THR KNEW would eventually be a target of this administration in a second term. All that was needed to justify what is about to happen was a "good" crisis. I remember someone once saying that a good politician "Never lets a crisis go to waste."

    But back to the OP's point, if I had an extra AR, I don't know what I would do. I might see if one of my friends needed one and sell it to him at a small markup from what I paid. I might post it online and get everything I could for it so I could buy extra ammo or another gun I wanted. I don't know. The point is it would be my choice, and it would be someone's choice to buy that AR from me at the "inflated" price; or not. As long as the potential buyer knows EXACTLY what he is getting and he agrees to pay the asking price of his own free will, nobody is getting screwed. However, if a third party steps in and says you can only sell your AR for X amount and the potential seller does not feel that is a fair price for HIM to sell it at, then guess what, no ARs for you! Now everyone is getting screwed! The market will be devoid of ANY ARs. How is that fair to someone who waited too long and is now wanting to purchase an AR?

    Sure I think it is dumb to pay $2,400 for a $800 AR, but I'm not about to ask for the government to step in and fix it. That is the only way you could control it.

    For those of old enough to remember, Jimmy Carter tried to control gas prices. "As always happens, when the government tries to circumvent the laws of supply and demand to artificially set a price, the supply dries up. No one will continue selling a product after the profit has been taken out. It's too bad Jimmy Carter never studied Economics 101." Quoted from "http://www.low-cost-gas.org/gasoline-price-history.html"

    You can't protect people from themselves. I have enough to do with protecting myself and my family from idiots and oblivions.
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2012
  19. Reloadron

    Reloadron Well-Known Member

    Maybe off topic but wasn't Hi Point Firearms, also known as Beemiller (Distributed by MKS Supply) was in business in 1992 actually founded on February 18, 1992 well in advance of the 1994 assault weapons ban? Not that it matters much. I remember selling some of their early stuff.

  20. sleepyone

    sleepyone Well-Known Member


    Let me be clear that I do share your frustration with what is happening. However, my frustration is with the sheeple who failed to see this coming whereas your frustration seems to be directed at the people who did see this coming.

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