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What can I hunt with these calibers

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by dak0ta, Apr 16, 2013.

  1. dak0ta

    dak0ta Well-Known Member


    I have a Marlin 30-30 and Bolt action rifles in 6.5x55 and 8mm Mauser. I also have a M1A 308 Winchester

    I was thinking of using the 30-30 150 gr for small black-tail deer in coastal forested areas.

    140 gr 6.5x55 for small-medium deer or 150-174 gr .308 Winchester

    170-200 gr 8mm Mauser for Black bear, Large Deer, Moose.

    Am I undergunned firing 200 gr 8x57 at a Moose? Is it time to step up to a Magnum?
  2. LeonCarr

    LeonCarr Well-Known Member

    You do not need a magnum if hunting Moose or smaller animals with the cartridges mentioned.

    The 6.5x55 has killed more Moose in Scandinavia than any other cartridge, with the 156/160 Grain Round Nose Soft Point working best on the larger animals.

    The .308 with premium 165-180 Grain controlled expansion bullets will work great on moose or smaller.

    The 8x57 Mauser with 200 Grain Bullets, especially the 8mm 200 Grain Nosler Partition, will trainwreck anything in North America except the big bears. I would start at .338 Win Mag for hunting one of those.

    Just my .02,
  3. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    If you can't kill anything that walks on four legs in the lower 48 states, with any one of those calibers?

    A Mangle'm is not gona help you kill it any deader.

  4. dak0ta

    dak0ta Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I've been talking to some other hunters and they were saying the 6.5 and 8mm couldn't get it done, that it would take multiple shots to take a moose or black bear down. I have confidence in the 8mm 200 gr pill. What are some good bullets for black bear? Will normal soft points suffice? Or do I need a tougher bullet?

    I chose these calibers because I like the history behind them, I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't sacrificing reasoning for nostalgia ;)
  5. splattergun

    splattergun Well-Known Member

    I believe you can kill anything in the lower 48 with any of those cartridges you mention. I'm liking the 6.5x55 swede so far. I've been shooting my GF's Swede mauser It's a real sweet shooter and have decided to buy a new rifle in that caliber for myself. Hopefully, I'll have a new 6.5x55 rifle and a good hand load worked up in time for mule deer season.
  6. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    You need to find some other hunters who have a clue what they are talking about.

    The 6.5x55 has been used by old time elephant ivory hunters.

    The 8mm Mauser is the ballistic equivalent of the 30-06 Springfield.
    There is nothing on this earth that has not been cleanly killed with a 30-06.

    They will if you can shoot accurately enough to put one through the lungs.

    A 200 SP will go all the way through a moose boiler room, and probably stop on the off side hide.

    Then the moose will drown in its own blood, and fall down and die.

  7. Kachok

    Kachok Well-Known Member

    6.5x55 :D that is one dandy little cartridge, I'll hunt anything in the lower 48 with that. While it is adequate for elk/moose the 6.5x55s true calling is as the best low recoil deer cartridge the world has ever seen. Sure the 260 Rem and 6.5 Creedmore can duplicate it's ballistics but there is something to be said for 122 years of history, and the Swede is quite possibly the easy cartridge of all time to develop loads for, in mine it is actually hard to find anything it does not shoot very well. To date only one bullet I have ever tried did not go sub-MOA with a three shot group the very first trip to the range.
  8. grubbylabs

    grubbylabs Well-Known Member

    I would wager that the 30-30 has taken more game animals than any other cartridge on this continent. From varmints to big game the 30-30 can do it all. Obviously it has some limitations and you have to work with in them, but it is more than adequate when used within its limits.
  9. dak0ta

    dak0ta Well-Known Member

    With all the above mentioned rounds, what distance would you expect 1 shot, 1 kill? 150-200 yards max?
  10. 303tom

    303tom member

    Looks to me like you have enough to hunt what ever you like, except you need a .22 LR for small game & a shotgun for birds.............
  11. Patocazador

    Patocazador Well-Known Member

    I'm not a .30-30 fan but that's just me. Any of the calibers you have will do the job on any of the animals you mentioned as long as your bullet choice and shot placement are adequate.
    Pick the one that you shoot best, work up a load with a good quality hunting bullet and practice. You're all set. Sell the others if you want.
  12. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure you're good to go.
    If I were hunting elk or moose, I would use the 8mm. For deer sized game, any of them. I'm sure any of them would kill a moose as well. It's been done as has already been pointed out, but I would take the larger one for that.
    There's certainly not anything in the lower 48 that you couldn't hunt with that selection of cartridges.
  13. dak0ta

    dak0ta Well-Known Member

    Yup I have a 22lr for varmints, grouse, squirrels, small game. Also have a shotgun for birds.

    The Mauser is real accurate with 200 gr bullets. Still working on a load for the 6.5. M1A gives acceptable accuracy with factory 150 gr SP.
  14. headoftheholler

    headoftheholler Well-Known Member

    Old school hunters that only know 30-30, 30-06, and 270 will be ignorant when it comes to the 6.5 and 8mm.
    The 6.5 in the heavier grain bullet will take any deer and most moose, its a proven fact in scandinavia.
    The 8mm with a proper Euro spec load will outperform the '06 on bigger game.
  15. dak0ta

    dak0ta Well-Known Member

    What are some good bullets to use in the 8mm for black bear? I have some 200 gr Speer Spitzer SP. I also have some Sierra Pro Hunter 175 gr Spitzer bullets.

    For 6.5 I have Hornady 140 gr SST.
  16. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    Either of those bullets will work splendidly on black bear. They're not that thick skinned. Pretty much any good soft point bullet will do the trick.
  17. Rifleman1st

    Rifleman1st Member

    I have an 8mm Mauser passed down from my Father. It's one of the most accurate rifles I own. With a 200 gr. Nosler Partition I wouldn't hesitate to take Bear or Moose. That rifle has been on several African safaris and taken everything it was pointed at cleanly with that load. I also took the biggest whitetail buck of my life with it at 230 yards.
  18. DM~

    DM~ Well-Known Member

    I've already taken moose and bear with my 8x57 loaded with 200NP's,


    along with many other big game animals,


    BUT, i don't agree that it's more gun than a properly loaded 30-06 on big game. And properly loaded to me, means the 30-06 will also be loaded with 200NP's.

    The 30/200NP will out perform the 8mm/200np, even when the 8mm is loaded to 2,600 + fps, and i know this because i've shot quite a bit of big game with both.

  19. dak0ta

    dak0ta Well-Known Member

    What kind of differences does 200 gr 30 have on 200 gr 8mm?

    What advantages does the 8mm have on the 30-06?
  20. DM~

    DM~ Well-Known Member

    The biggest advantage the 30/200NP's have over the 8's at 8x57 velocities is "penetration" on the biggest big game, and in some cases that can be very important. I've never seen any advantage going the other direction. (8 over 30)

    I would not hunt brown bear with my 8x57, but i have and would again with a properly loaded 30-06. I've seen what a 30-06/200NP will do to a brown bear, and if you do your job, it will drop them in their tracks.

    I consider them both more than needed for deer/blk. bear sized animals, so for 99% of the hunters, it's a wash.


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