What could another cult gun?
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makarov
p7 series
SIGs!!!!!
p7 series
SIGs!!!!!
wally
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I've a hard time accepting 1911, Glock or Browning HiPower or SIG as any kind of "cult" gun as they are very mainstream. Same for Maks too many of them made by too many different countries for them to be a "cult" item.
I think the HK P7 pistols fit my definition of a cult gun. I'd offer up the RAP 440 as another from the cheap side of the isle. Styer might be another IMHO, but I've never shot one of these.
--wally.
I think the HK P7 pistols fit my definition of a cult gun. I'd offer up the RAP 440 as another from the cheap side of the isle. Styer might be another IMHO, but I've never shot one of these.
--wally.
George Hill
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Kel Tecs
Berettas
CZs
Berettas
CZs
Mr Jody Hudson
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KELTEC
GLOCK
ROHRBAUGH
MAKAROV
GLOCK
ROHRBAUGH
MAKAROV
nero45acp
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SIG (already has cult-like following)
other possible candidates:
Steyr
Kahr
Rohrbaugh
SA's XD series
nero
other possible candidates:
Steyr
Kahr
Rohrbaugh
SA's XD series
nero
wally
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Year Rorhbaugh, Seecamps, definitely.
Kel-Tecs too, especially the way their enthusiests act about them, check out www.ktog.com forums
I guess folks who buy into the "Glock Perfection" crap would qualify as cultists too
--wally.
Kel-Tecs too, especially the way their enthusiests act about them, check out www.ktog.com forums
I guess folks who buy into the "Glock Perfection" crap would qualify as cultists too
--wally.
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DDGator
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H&K P7, Rohrbaugh R-9s, Seecamp .32 and .380
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I agree with 2 of George's
- Berettas
- CZs
They seem to fit the same groove as the 1911& HP as a basic military sidearm which goes mainstream.
Some possibilities depending on future world events/world economy could be:
- Walther P99
- Daewoo DP-51
- IMI SP-21 Barak pistol (probably one of the homeliest guns made)(course a hump-back didn't stop the Browning Auto from becoming a "cult" gun)
- Berettas
- CZs
They seem to fit the same groove as the 1911& HP as a basic military sidearm which goes mainstream.
Some possibilities depending on future world events/world economy could be:
- Walther P99
- Daewoo DP-51
- IMI SP-21 Barak pistol (probably one of the homeliest guns made)(course a hump-back didn't stop the Browning Auto from becoming a "cult" gun)
shep854
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Definitely CZs.
armoredman
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CZs...
Roc_Kor
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CZs
Makarovs
SIGs
Makarovs
SIGs
Craig M. Arnold
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Cult Guns
CZs
KelTecs
CZs
KelTecs
Black Snowman
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All shall bow before the excellent value of CZs!
Another defiate cult brand that sneaks under the radar but has a loyal following: Taurus.
Another defiate cult brand that sneaks under the radar but has a loyal following: Taurus.
Johnny Guest
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Interesting turn of phrase, "Cult gun."
Much depends on how you define certain terms. I'm not ready to articulate a good, short, definition. I'm kinda like the unschooled person wandering through a gallery:
"I don't know anything about art, but I know what I like." Well, I dunno much about cults, but I'll hang the label where ever I think it belongs.
wally wrote:
I was the first officer in my county to regularly carry an autoloader as my duty sidearm - - A 1911 type. Soon thereafter, the police department in the county seat formed a drug squad and got special permission to carry autos. A new Ranger assigned here carried a 1911. First thing you knew, auto pistols in general were almost a cult thing, and the 1911 in particular.
Then came practical pistol competition, IPSC and the like. As soon as the local police got the okay to pack autos, there were strong factions that favored the Browning High Power as well as the 1911.
Going back a bit further - - When I got my first badge, the old timers were split between the standard revolvers, S&W K-frame or Colt, four-inch .38 Special, or else the large frame .357. But there was already a move afoot toward the K-frame .357. For a time, if you didn't have a Model 19, you just weren't "with it." Was this a cult thing, or just progressive officers recognizing a superior concept? One might also wonder the same about the later Glock phenomenum.
I wouldn't argue the concept regarding SiGs, Maks, or Glocks. The Kel Tecs certainly atttained cult status in very short order. I dunno about the Seecamps - -Were they a cult thing, or simply a status item due to scarcity?
Interesting topic, valor1.
Best,
Johnny
Much depends on how you define certain terms. I'm not ready to articulate a good, short, definition. I'm kinda like the unschooled person wandering through a gallery:
"I don't know anything about art, but I know what I like." Well, I dunno much about cults, but I'll hang the label where ever I think it belongs.
wally wrote:
Sir, I understand what you're saying, but respectfully disagree. Perhaps it is my historical perspective, as shooting enthusiast and cop, and especially as pertains to the 1911 and High Power.
I was the first officer in my county to regularly carry an autoloader as my duty sidearm - - A 1911 type. Soon thereafter, the police department in the county seat formed a drug squad and got special permission to carry autos. A new Ranger assigned here carried a 1911. First thing you knew, auto pistols in general were almost a cult thing, and the 1911 in particular.
Then came practical pistol competition, IPSC and the like. As soon as the local police got the okay to pack autos, there were strong factions that favored the Browning High Power as well as the 1911.
Going back a bit further - - When I got my first badge, the old timers were split between the standard revolvers, S&W K-frame or Colt, four-inch .38 Special, or else the large frame .357. But there was already a move afoot toward the K-frame .357. For a time, if you didn't have a Model 19, you just weren't "with it." Was this a cult thing, or just progressive officers recognizing a superior concept? One might also wonder the same about the later Glock phenomenum.
I wouldn't argue the concept regarding SiGs, Maks, or Glocks. The Kel Tecs certainly atttained cult status in very short order. I dunno about the Seecamps - -Were they a cult thing, or simply a status item due to scarcity?
Interesting topic, valor1.
Best,
Johnny
Hm. Definition of a cult.
Utter devotion to a concept. Repetition of the same phrases (read "chants") over and over. Sense of belonging to a group. Ready defense of a concept.
Let's see:
Glocks? Check.
High-Powers? Check.
1911s? Check.
Um. . .
In a DIFFERENT kind of way, there's certainly a cult of the Luger.
I have to agree that KelTec has its cult, and I suppose I'm a member.(I joined KTOG in 1998.)
I've just recently realized that there's a cult of CZ's and their spinoffs.
Briefly, a couple of years ago, there was a USP cult, but I don't notice it so much these days.
Anyone remember the M9/Berretta 92 cult that sprung up in the late '80s and early '90s? You don't see it much anymore.
HK P7 owners and lovers form a small but very vocal cult. We have a couple of the Cult Of The Teutonic Staplegun members on our Staff, to tell the truth.
I've even run into a rather stident vein of lovers of Ruger autopistols (P90 and P89, mostly). They seem. . . rather defensive.
Here's a cult I would have thought would be there, but isn't, to my knowledge: S&W autoloaders. Sure, a lot of folks like the 59 and 39, but how many are really cultish about 'em? And I just don't find a Sigma cult.
Utter devotion to a concept. Repetition of the same phrases (read "chants") over and over. Sense of belonging to a group. Ready defense of a concept.
Let's see:
Glocks? Check.
High-Powers? Check.
1911s? Check.
Um. . .
In a DIFFERENT kind of way, there's certainly a cult of the Luger.
I have to agree that KelTec has its cult, and I suppose I'm a member.(I joined KTOG in 1998.)
I've just recently realized that there's a cult of CZ's and their spinoffs.
Briefly, a couple of years ago, there was a USP cult, but I don't notice it so much these days.
Anyone remember the M9/Berretta 92 cult that sprung up in the late '80s and early '90s? You don't see it much anymore.
HK P7 owners and lovers form a small but very vocal cult. We have a couple of the Cult Of The Teutonic Staplegun members on our Staff, to tell the truth.
I've even run into a rather stident vein of lovers of Ruger autopistols (P90 and P89, mostly). They seem. . . rather defensive.
Here's a cult I would have thought would be there, but isn't, to my knowledge: S&W autoloaders. Sure, a lot of folks like the 59 and 39, but how many are really cultish about 'em? And I just don't find a Sigma cult.
Johnny Guest
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So far, we've only covered handguns - -
- - Which is fine, considering the forum in which we are. At.
Most of us pistoleros (y revolveros??) are fairly reasonable in our devotions to our particular marques, even the Glockers and Elevenistas. I said FAIRLY. But, wow, those long gun guys! I don't know if you can consider the Kalashnikov devotees and AR lovers members of their respective CULTS, or if they are simply natural rivals. Sometimes, I think it's more of a holy war.
A more, uh, pure cult is found in those who are so dedicated to the Moisin Nagant rifles. Lately, there's been a similar group concerned with the Swiss rifles, and particularly the K31. Really, I think the entire military-rifles-of-yesteryear group approaches supercult status.
Not arguing here, Matt G, but I wonder if the intense Beretta-loyalty group didn't begin more as a tribute to US military and LAPD adoption, fueled by a near overload of depictions in the movies, than an actual cult effect. A fine line, perhaps . . . .
- - Which is fine, considering the forum in which we are. At.
Most of us pistoleros (y revolveros??) are fairly reasonable in our devotions to our particular marques, even the Glockers and Elevenistas. I said FAIRLY. But, wow, those long gun guys! I don't know if you can consider the Kalashnikov devotees and AR lovers members of their respective CULTS, or if they are simply natural rivals. Sometimes, I think it's more of a holy war.
A more, uh, pure cult is found in those who are so dedicated to the Moisin Nagant rifles. Lately, there's been a similar group concerned with the Swiss rifles, and particularly the K31. Really, I think the entire military-rifles-of-yesteryear group approaches supercult status.
Not arguing here, Matt G, but I wonder if the intense Beretta-loyalty group didn't begin more as a tribute to US military and LAPD adoption, fueled by a near overload of depictions in the movies, than an actual cult effect. A fine line, perhaps . . . .
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By the same token, in view of the rigors of Swiss pistol shooting disciplines, their implements, especially the John Moses Browning-engendered native SIG P210 and the naturalized Georg Luger offspring of 06/24 and 06/29 Parabellums, certainly qualify as pure cult guns.
Beetle Bailey
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Uh, besides the people who drink Kool-Aid because someone tells'em to, when I think of a "cult" I think of a small group of people who really, really like something that the mainstream is largely oblivious to. In the United States, CZ's aren't a big name but they have a loyal following, especially the CZ75's. I don't know of any Hollywood action films that feature CZ's, nor do I see many CZ's at the shooting range, either available for rent or in the hands of shooters.
I also nominate the P7M8, since they are a bit uncommon and also seem to be adored by their owners. A local gunshop owner loves them and all his employees carry them in the store. I found it easy to shoot but it's out of my price-range.
I also nominate the P7M8, since they are a bit uncommon and also seem to be adored by their owners. A local gunshop owner loves them and all his employees carry them in the store. I found it easy to shoot but it's out of my price-range.
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