What do you like and hate about your Kahr?
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Likes:
Accurate. Head shots 7 yards.
Eats everything, never a problem.
Best gun for deep cover combining flat, small, and works great with
different forms of CCW.
Fits a niche in CCW that no other gun does.
Dislikes:
Too heavy for my pocket carry. Not the guns fault.
Likes:
Accurate. Head shots 7 yards.
Eats everything, never a problem.
Best gun for deep cover combining flat, small, and works great with
different forms of CCW.
Fits a niche in CCW that no other gun does.
Dislikes:
Too heavy for my pocket carry. Not the guns fault.
hardluk1
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I do wish my cm9 was ligher by a couple oz but then it would not be easy to shoot.
TMann
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Loved:
The size and weight of the polymer Kahrs.
The smoothness of the trigger.
Hated:
The recoil of the polymer Kahrs.
The LONG, LONG trigger pull.
After owning a number of Kahrs over the years, I bought a Walther PPS and have been really happy with it.
TMann
EDIT: I should mention that the main issue I have with the Kahr trigger is that it is different than the triggers on my other handguns (Glock, CZ, Hipower.) If you are a long-time revolver shooter and you're used to "pulling through" that long travel, you may find the Kahr trigger to be perfect for you.
The size and weight of the polymer Kahrs.
The smoothness of the trigger.
Hated:
The recoil of the polymer Kahrs.
The LONG, LONG trigger pull.
After owning a number of Kahrs over the years, I bought a Walther PPS and have been really happy with it.
TMann
EDIT: I should mention that the main issue I have with the Kahr trigger is that it is different than the triggers on my other handguns (Glock, CZ, Hipower.) If you are a long-time revolver shooter and you're used to "pulling through" that long travel, you may find the Kahr trigger to be perfect for you.
In my humble opinion the K9/P9/CW9 guns are just about the ideal sized carry gun. They are small enough that the conceal very easily in practically any manner of dress. Yet they are big enough that they are still easy to shoot and run well. If you add or reduce size you start to make one or the other of those things notably difficult.
Its ammo capacity is perfectly acceptable for a CCW gun IMHO. It is 7+1 or with an extended mag 8+1. That gives you 16 if you carry the 7 round mag in the gun and a spare 8 rounder. Yes that is the capacity of a G19 with one mag but it is EXTREMELY unlikely that one will fire that many rounds in self defense and the Kahrs are appreciably smaller than the G19.
The trigger pull is long by design but very smooth and consistent and breaks cleanly. It is no 1911 trigger but it works well for what it is designed for.
Accuracy in my experience is plenty good enough for the defensive use. I have never put one in a rest or really tried to shoot it for groups. When doing defensive style shooting I get ragged wholes like the one I shoot with an EMP.
They were designed to by carry guns and I think they perform that role very nicely.
I still hope to eventually get a PM9 or CM9 as I do not have much experience with the smaller guns.
Its ammo capacity is perfectly acceptable for a CCW gun IMHO. It is 7+1 or with an extended mag 8+1. That gives you 16 if you carry the 7 round mag in the gun and a spare 8 rounder. Yes that is the capacity of a G19 with one mag but it is EXTREMELY unlikely that one will fire that many rounds in self defense and the Kahrs are appreciably smaller than the G19.
The trigger pull is long by design but very smooth and consistent and breaks cleanly. It is no 1911 trigger but it works well for what it is designed for.
Accuracy in my experience is plenty good enough for the defensive use. I have never put one in a rest or really tried to shoot it for groups. When doing defensive style shooting I get ragged wholes like the one I shoot with an EMP.
They were designed to by carry guns and I think they perform that role very nicely.
I still hope to eventually get a PM9 or CM9 as I do not have much experience with the smaller guns.
I have a pm 40 and a cw 40 , I love the, both they are what they are defense guns ,for defending your life they are not target pistols , I carry my cw in a crossbreed holster and the pm40 in a galco appendix ,I practice alot ,and both guns work , I carried a glock 21 for a long time ,the kahr is as good as my glock , I wouldnt put 10000 rounds thru a kahr and feel as comfortBle as the hk glock .
Welding Rod
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What I hated about my Kahr P45 was that it was utterly unreliable, even after trying hundreds of rounds various factory loads.
What I liked was that after I paid $60 or so to ship it back to the factory for warranty work, where they replaced the entire top end, I was able to trade it off for a reasonable pay back.
What I liked was that after I paid $60 or so to ship it back to the factory for warranty work, where they replaced the entire top end, I was able to trade it off for a reasonable pay back.
hammerclaw56
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pm9 DLC
I, have a pm 9 dlc that money could not buy, not the first malfuction in over a 1000 rds of mixed ammo , it is a perfect pocket pistol with a galco inside the pocket holster. I keep it loaded with GD 124 HP or winchester PDX1 124 gr HP and believe me they will get the job done if called upon. The Kahr PM9 DLC is the perfect C.C. handgun.
I, have a pm 9 dlc that money could not buy, not the first malfuction in over a 1000 rds of mixed ammo , it is a perfect pocket pistol with a galco inside the pocket holster. I keep it loaded with GD 124 HP or winchester PDX1 124 gr HP and believe me they will get the job done if called upon. The Kahr PM9 DLC is the perfect C.C. handgun.
mdThanatos
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I don't own one but I did get to shoot one today. A buddy of mine has one, I want to say it was the P40, and said he can't hit anything with it so he asked me to try it out. First I understand the purpose of the pistol so I know it isn't something that would be used as a competition piece. What I didn't like is that it is too slim, for me. The trigger has a long take up, which didn't really bother me that much, it wasn't a very heavy pull in my opinion just long and mushy if you will. The trigger reset, which is what really threw me off, requires you to fully disengage the trigger.
I liked that it was light and functioned well and I was able to hit decently with it for my first time. My buddy's wife doesn't like shooting it because it hurts her hand after a mag or two and he has even said he doesn't like extended sessions with it but the two mags I put through it, I know it isn't a lot, it had some oomph but nothing terrible.
I think for the price and if you happen to be looking for something that conceals well it is a good value but if it were me I think that there are other pistols that I would choose over it, just for preferences not because of it being a bad pistol.
I liked that it was light and functioned well and I was able to hit decently with it for my first time. My buddy's wife doesn't like shooting it because it hurts her hand after a mag or two and he has even said he doesn't like extended sessions with it but the two mags I put through it, I know it isn't a lot, it had some oomph but nothing terrible.
I think for the price and if you happen to be looking for something that conceals well it is a good value but if it were me I think that there are other pistols that I would choose over it, just for preferences not because of it being a bad pistol.
The trigger on a Kahr is a lot like a double action revolver, only a little smoother. (IMO.) I learned a long time ago that I can't worry too much about getting a fine sight picture when shooting double action. I shoot a lot better if I try to get a smooth pull straight through to the shot while focusing really hard on the front sight and not worrying overly much about whether the sights are lined up dead center on the target or not.
Kahr seems to like to shoot that way, too. If I try to time the shot with sights centered on the target I will anticipate and throw the shot low every time.
Kahr seems to like to shoot that way, too. If I try to time the shot with sights centered on the target I will anticipate and throw the shot low every time.
I have a CW40.
Pros:
- Feels great in the hand with rubber grip
- Slim, easy to conceal
- Simple
Cons:
- 40 is probably too powerful for this gun. 9mm probably would have been a better choice
- My CW40 is very picky with ammo. It likes FMJ bullets, absolutely hates lead reloaded bullets, and is iffy on certain types of hollow points
- Very long trigger pull
If I were to buy a single stack now, no doubt about it - it would be a S&W Shield.
Pros:
- Feels great in the hand with rubber grip
- Slim, easy to conceal
- Simple
Cons:
- 40 is probably too powerful for this gun. 9mm probably would have been a better choice
- My CW40 is very picky with ammo. It likes FMJ bullets, absolutely hates lead reloaded bullets, and is iffy on certain types of hollow points
- Very long trigger pull
If I were to buy a single stack now, no doubt about it - it would be a S&W Shield.
I think they feel like a DA revolver in terms of how long the trigger pull is (although exact length depends on what trigger one has, i.e. elite vs NYPD) and in terms of having a relatively long reset. However, the Kahr triggers differ, for the better, from DA revolvers in at least two respects. First, the trigger pull is lighter than the DA pull of most revolvers. Secondly, Kahr triggers do not stack. Most double action revolvers I have shot stack to some degree (perhaps the lone exception is the Ruger LCR).
I would tend to agree the Kahrs are smoother than many DA revolvers are out of the box.
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Mine is really a truck but hey I'll bite! I have learned that I like standard better than automatic and my truck is automatic. It has transmission problems once in awhile, the wheel fell off while driving once. The list goes on. Oh wait, you mean Kahr, not car. Oh, I don't have one of those sorry. 
Wouldn't mind having a compact .45, they look nice.
Wouldn't mind having a compact .45, they look nice.
Have a CW-40..I didn't like the front sights and replaced with fiber optics. Added a stainless steel mag spring rod to help with recoil and dropped down to 135 grain loads which significantly lowered recoil. I just can't like the long trigger pull, which I know is by design and when unloading the gun and unchambering a live round 9 out of 10 times it jams in the ejection door. Has never failed to fire, though.
RBid
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I hate that my CM9 is imaginary. I would prefer to have a real one to wear as a BUG sometimes.
Dislikes:
None, in the context of a BUG.
Likes:
Trigger is smooth
Feels 'tight' (tolerances, fit, finish)
I like the ergonomics, for what it is
My views are based on limited time with one, rather than having an owner's experience.
Dislikes:
None, in the context of a BUG.
Likes:
Trigger is smooth
Feels 'tight' (tolerances, fit, finish)
I like the ergonomics, for what it is
My views are based on limited time with one, rather than having an owner's experience.
The Lone Haranguer
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I have owned an E9 ("economy" version of the K9) and a PM9, but no .45s.
The E9 never had any stoppages, but did bounce the odd case back at my head as well as the front sight (plastic and staked) falling off. After sending it back to customer service (a painless process save that I had to ship it) it came back with the ejection port lowered and a new front sight which gave me no further problems. The PM9 had severe functioning problems at first, but came back - albeit taking nearly a month - with a new barrel and recoil spring and also gave me no further problems.
The best features of the E9 were its grip and hand fit, handling and pointing qualities and its trigger. It - like all Kahrs - has a long pull like that of a revolver, but is light with even pressure all the way through and somewhat of a "surprise" at the end. After a little practice you can do some very good work with this trigger. It is also very comfortable to shoot due to its weight and cushioned rubber grip. Because of its small size, the PM9, if I held my trigger finger so as not to push all the shots to the left, would rub and blister the finger on the bottom of the trigger guard. Otherwise it too shot decently, much better than any small-frame revolver I've tried.
An annoyance is the top round in the spare magazine working loose of its own accord. You don't notice this in the "in-gun" mag, but can be a problem in the spare mag. You need a snugly fitting mag pouch and draw technique (pulling straight up and not dragging the sides of the pouch) to keep this from happening, or there can be problems inserting it into the well.
All in all, I would happily buy a steel 9mm Kahr again, but am ambivalent about a PM or CM9 . I don't think, however, the CW45 will make a good practical, continuous carry pocket gun; it is just too large. It would be OK for sticking in your pocket for short times and distances.
The E9 never had any stoppages, but did bounce the odd case back at my head as well as the front sight (plastic and staked) falling off. After sending it back to customer service (a painless process save that I had to ship it) it came back with the ejection port lowered and a new front sight which gave me no further problems. The PM9 had severe functioning problems at first, but came back - albeit taking nearly a month - with a new barrel and recoil spring and also gave me no further problems.
The best features of the E9 were its grip and hand fit, handling and pointing qualities and its trigger. It - like all Kahrs - has a long pull like that of a revolver, but is light with even pressure all the way through and somewhat of a "surprise" at the end. After a little practice you can do some very good work with this trigger. It is also very comfortable to shoot due to its weight and cushioned rubber grip. Because of its small size, the PM9, if I held my trigger finger so as not to push all the shots to the left, would rub and blister the finger on the bottom of the trigger guard. Otherwise it too shot decently, much better than any small-frame revolver I've tried.
An annoyance is the top round in the spare magazine working loose of its own accord. You don't notice this in the "in-gun" mag, but can be a problem in the spare mag. You need a snugly fitting mag pouch and draw technique (pulling straight up and not dragging the sides of the pouch) to keep this from happening, or there can be problems inserting it into the well.
All in all, I would happily buy a steel 9mm Kahr again, but am ambivalent about a PM or CM9 . I don't think, however, the CW45 will make a good practical, continuous carry pocket gun; it is just too large. It would be OK for sticking in your pocket for short times and distances.
CoRoMo
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I don't believe this is entirely accurate. The Unification Church may have helped start up Justin's company and it might still have a thin association with Kahr by way of subsidiary organizations/companies, but I don't believe the church holds ownership, manages, or controls the firearms manufacturer. AFAIK, Justin might be the only church member at his company, but I would not be surprised if there are a few more there than himself alone.
The 'Moonie connection' has been an issue for me as well, but it isn't preventing me from admitting that Justin is one exceptional businessman and innovator. He's quite the freedom loving, anti-communist gun-nut like many of us are and his company has created some of the most revolutionary pistols of our time. Can't force myself to deny that stuff.
spring rod
What is that exactly and how does it help with recoil?
The stainless steel guide rod (recoil spring) is about 3 times heavier than the factory adding some weight and it reduces torque better.
Moot point..sold it last week..getting an XDM 3.8 compact chambered in 40 s&w..
What is that exactly and how does it help with recoil?
The stainless steel guide rod (recoil spring) is about 3 times heavier than the factory adding some weight and it reduces torque better.
Moot point..sold it last week..getting an XDM 3.8 compact chambered in 40 s&w..
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