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What if a state wanted out of U.S.

Discussion in 'Legal' started by .45Ruger, Apr 16, 2003.

  1. .45Ruger

    .45Ruger Well-Known Member

    It may seem to be a stretch but let's say at some point in the near future a state decides that they have had enough of Washington's interference and decided to sucede. Would a second CivilWar result or would the right of self determinantion be honored? Just curious what you all think.
  2. DeltaElite

    DeltaElite Well-Known Member

    I would let California go without a fight. ;)
  3. WilderBill

    WilderBill Well-Known Member

    I'm with Delte Elite on that.
    I think Texas was the only one smart enough to get that provision when they joined the union.

    The one time we tried to use, we got the War of Northern Aggression for our trouble. :(
  4. BerettaNut92

    BerettaNut92 Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't. I just want LA and the bay to secede from California :barf:
  5. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Well-Known Member

    Doesn't Hawaii have a secessionist movement -- wanting to go back to a queen and all that?
  6. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Well-Known Member

  7. mercedesrules

    mercedesrules Well-Known Member

    Before the Civil War it was taken for granted that states could secede. Since that travesty, I'm afraid that Washington, D.C. wouldn't let that happen.

  8. amprecon

    amprecon Well-Known Member

    I think Kalifornication needs a regime change. The 4th didn't get much action in Iraq, here's there chance, wouldn't be much of a fight though.
  9. CZ 75 BD

    CZ 75 BD Well-Known Member

    The late unpleasantness...

    did not prove seccession wrong, only impractical.
  10. WonderNine

    WonderNine member

    Good....more power too em'. I don't like coconuts or pinneapples anyways...
  11. ahenry

    ahenry Well-Known Member

    It is unfortunate, but it is only a myth that Texas has a provision somewhere that they can secede. I wish it were so, but it is not. As much as I love America (shoot, the National Anthem brings tears to my eyes), I would rather Texas was a Republic again.
  12. Greg L

    Greg L Well-Known Member

    I'm afraid that it would never be allowed to happen. I'll put on my tin foil beanie and predict automobile accidents for the leaders of the movement. The Washington DC .gov has gotten to the point where they can't allow any dissention in the ranks for fear of what might happen if people realized that they didn't have to put up with the crap coming from there.

    Besides, if they tried they would lose their highway funds... (which seems to be the favorite tactic to keep wayward states in line)

  13. ahadams

    ahadams Well-Known Member

    I agree with DE - except I think the list should be longer.

    Places many Americans wish would leave the United States:

    CA., MA., DC., hmm...must be a few more besides just that!
  14. Dave R

    Dave R Well-Known Member

    I think the Feds would use all available financial pressure. Then all available political pressure, then all available force.

    There is ample precedent, ranging from the Civil War to the Bonus March to Waco.
  15. PATH

    PATH Well-Known Member

    The question was resolved at Appamattox Court House in 1865.
  16. WonderNine

    WonderNine member

    Hey it works! :scrutiny:

    Guess what, we both have a special place in carnivore right now......
  17. whoami

    whoami Well-Known Member

    I think it would go WAY beyond that. All federal funds being provided to state governments would be cut. Funds for schools, funds for highways, funds for medicine, you name it. I wouldn't be surprised if federal grants/loans would be cut/denied to residents of the seccessionist state...or at the very least the threat of it. I'd even expect to see border style roadblocks set up at the entry and exitways of the state. Shipments of goods going to/from that state would be subject to all applicable laws/tarrifs/taxes regarding international shipments. It'd probably get REAL ugly.

    Of course, it brings an interesting point...with the eradication of federal taxation and federal laws regarding monetary issue, would the state be able to modify it's own structure in order to maintain fiscal solvency away from the government dole? Would the state .gov just become a mini federal .gov?
  18. El Tejon

    El Tejon Well-Known Member

    I say, I say, I doooo declare, some of y'all tried, I say, attempted to commit treason, but we wasn't having any of it.

    .45Ruger, as to what would happen, the Gov. and the General Assembly would be prosecuted for treason.
  19. longeyes

    longeyes member

    For all you hotshots who get off on CA seceding, falling into the sea, etc., try imagining a Cuba--with 35 million souls--on your border. I live in L.A. Why don't you all come here and do something to change things? California used to be a great place but it is withering from within. What a lot of you don't get is that the "California disease" is an epidemic that infects ALL of the United States. Don't kid yourself that it doesn't.
  20. 444

    444 Well-Known Member

    The workers paradise would never consider secession. If the state and local governments of that state stand for anything, it is getting every possible penny of tax money and hand outs possible.
    Now throwing them out of the club is another story.

    "Why don't you all come here and do something to change things?"
    I would rather have my eyes poked out with a toothpick than go to LA.

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