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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by NotQuiteSane, Aug 21, 2004.

  1. NotQuiteSane

    NotQuiteSane Well-Known Member

    Let's try some AH.

    From the obitioaries, January 24th, 1855:

    How does this event affect firearms development over the past 135 years?

  2. Chipperman

    Chipperman Well-Known Member

    The development of firearms would have been changed dramatically, but not as much as if Hiram Maxin had not been born.
  3. Preacherman

    Preacherman Well-Known Member

    He would have been reincarnated as Vladimir Ilyich Lenin - then the Russian revolution would have been better armed!

  4. Thrash1982

    Thrash1982 Well-Known Member

    He would have come back . . . . . . as a CYBORG!!!

  5. Ric

    Ric Well-Known Member

    I may get some flames but.......someone else would have done it.

    I think the advances would have been made in the logical order as they were by Colt, Smith & Wesson, Springfield, or someone. Maybe we wouldn't know the name but the results would be very similar if not identical.

    hope i didn't raise any blood pressure
  6. possenti

    possenti Well-Known Member

    Jennings, Lorcin and Bryco would be our choices for top-of-the-line handguns.:uhoh:
  7. Mal H

    Mal H Administrator

    I'm not sure if anything would have changed since the gentleman who invented the various firearms we all know and love was "John Moses Browning". His father was Jonathan Browning, but he wasn't born in 1855, so that can't be who you are talking about. The obit must have been for some other Browning. :D
  8. CleverNickname

    CleverNickname Well-Known Member

    How about this:

    John Hinckley makes a better choice in his caliber selection, and has a little bit better aim. Reagan doesn't make it and Bush 41 becomes president in early 1981. How does this affect subsequent domestic and international politics?

    Or this:

    The National Firearms Act of 1934 is passed in its original form and regulates handguns similarly to machineguns, sound suppressors and short-barreled long guns. How does this affect subsequent gun laws and gun culture in the US?
  9. BHPshooter

    BHPshooter Well-Known Member

    We'd all probably be packing Colt Peacemakers.

    Okay, I guess that's something of an overstatement, but there is much that JMB contributed to the gun culture that we take for granted oh-so-much today.

    If you think someone else would have done it, tell me this: Why hasn't his work been superceded by now?

    The man's been dead about 80 years now, yet most of his work still stands.

  10. pauli

    pauli Well-Known Member

    what i'd find more interesting is the possible effects of jmb retaining his own patents. what sort of gun would the bhp be, and would the 1911 have gone the way of the 1908?

    sure, later in development the patents expired and could be integrated into the design, but i'm thinking in terms of jmb not losing the time.
  11. Johnson

    Johnson Member

    What if....

    Superman crash landed in Nazi Germany and was called "Ubermon"?

    Headlines read, "Ubermon destroys 2 million jews."
  12. Dionysusigma

    Dionysusigma Well-Known Member

    I think the 1911 is one of those things, like the air conditioner and TV dinner, that humanity would eventually create sooner or later regardless of original inventor.

  13. Cellar Dweller

    Cellar Dweller Well-Known Member

    Why so few innovations in the last 40 years?

    Well, the potential inventor must have an interest in firearms: ain't gonna get it in school or the Scouts any more; ain't gonna happen in a city or country where private ownership is (all but) prohibited or frowned upon.

    Must have some engineering/mechanical experience; ain't gonna happen with today's disposable society. My high school dropped all shop classes a few years ago because Little Johnny couldn't read, much less read blueprints...forget about creating blueprints!

    Must have somewhere convienient to shoot/test; can't just go to the sticks or the back yard without upsetting the neighbors!

    AK/FAL/M-16/G-3 and Glock were the last revolution of firearms. Everything else I can think of offhand is evolutionary, due to improvements in materials. G-11 unworkable, for now...

    OK, say I invent something totally different that is optimized for an all-new proprietary cartridge - who am I going to sell it to, the "JMB is God" crowd? The ".45ACP vs. 9mm vs. 40S&W" camp? Hunters and Sportsmen? LEO and military only, so ya'll can't buy one anyway? Besides that, the first time a kid or cop gets shot by my invention I get demonized and sued. So, where's the incentive?

    Too many variables to solve this equation...:scrutiny:
  14. Zundfolge

    Zundfolge Well-Known Member

    Had JMB died at birth I believe that the Luger in .45 would have become the first semi auto adopted by our armed forces.
  15. Diggler

    Diggler Well-Known Member

    1911's are delivered straight from God,

    so it just would have been someone else sent up on the mount to take delivery from the heavenly U.P.S. guy.
  16. grnzbra

    grnzbra Well-Known Member

    But I'll bet he's real good at condoming a banana.
  17. Tamara

    Tamara Senior Member

    "If there were no John Moses Browning, it would be necessary to invent him." -Voltaire ;)
  18. WilderBill

    WilderBill Well-Known Member

  19. Dead

    Dead Well-Known Member

    Perhaps better firearms would have be developed by other people, that had not ditched their idea's after seeing someone elses gun?
  20. NotQuiteSane

    NotQuiteSane Well-Known Member

    I agree, but at what dates? that alone could change things

    that doesn't follow. before the 1911 (and it's predecessors) semi auto weapons, and double action revolvers already had been around for over a decade.

    plus don't those three use JMB based actions?

    that would be an interesting one, as Bush is a moderate.

    on the same line of thought, Hinkley was looking for Ted Kennedy. if he had found and killed him, how would that effect gun control? we'd probably have the "Brady" (kennedy?) bill by the mid 80's, but w/o Brady to wheel around, would gun control get much further this soon?

    Perhaps. but since the double action revolver dates back to the 1880's, Savage and Lugar had semi auto's by the early 1900's, I would think that weaponry would have continued to evolve.

    Maybe. But I think NMH syndrome would come into play, and we'd be issuing Savage's to the troops


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