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What will become of Winchester, Browning, Remington & Marlin

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by gmhamilton3, Jan 21, 2008.

  1. gmhamilton3

    gmhamilton3 Active Member

    Is anyone concerned about the recent acquisitions of Bushmaster, Pather Arms, Remington Arms and Marlin Firearms by the private equity investment company Cerberus Capital Management. Does everyone know that Winchester and Browning are now owned by Fabrique Nationale de Herstal of Belgium. Will a corporate philosophy of profits first, out source the manufacturing of these widgits to China or India. Glad I bought my Rem 700BDL SS in 2003.
  2. Eric F

    Eric F Well-Known Member

    Who cares I cant wait to get my Chrysler AR15 next year.......

    Actually I do not expect to see too many of these lines to go over seas. Some will for sure like the base lines and cheaper stuff but not all.
  3. You mean other than the people who posted in the other dozen threads about this?
  4. Omaha-BeenGlockin

    Omaha-BeenGlockin Well-Known Member

    Just seems consolidation going on.

    S&W buying out T/C and Beretta gobbling up just about everthing else.

    Probably will make for stronger companies---but I can see customer service suffering.
  5. jad0110

    jad0110 Well-Known Member

    Cerberus Capital Management is the same group who purchased Chrysler from the now defunct Daimler-Chrysler Corporation. There is some worry over that in the various automotive publications (Car and Driver, Motor Trend, etc) as Cerberus apparently has a reputation for buying troubled companies and selling off the bits and pieces for more $$$ than they paid up front.

    Lets just hope those are unfounded worries.
  6. MAKster

    MAKster Well-Known Member

    FN Herstal has owned Browning since 1977. FN bought Winchester/USRAC in 1989. Browning and Winchester do not manufacture any firearms. They are just brand names put on firearms manufactured by other FN subsidiaries.
  7. PA1749

    PA1749 Member


    One more reason to go with RUGER !!!
  8. ilbob

    ilbob Well-Known Member

    many browning brand labeled firearms were made in japan.
  9. huntsman

    huntsman Well-Known Member

    History is littered with defunct U.S. gun companies. If there's a market for a product it will be made by somebody
  10. jerkface11

    jerkface11 Well-Known Member

    You don't have to worry about DPMS or Bushmaster being outsourced. Evil "Assault" rifles can't be imported so they have to be made here.
  11. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member

    In typical short-sighted American business fashion, the new owners will ship the manufacturing and technology overseas for lower-pay labor. More high-pay US manufacturing jobs will disappear. American's will no longer be able to afford to buy those brands. Our foreign debt will continue to grow.

    Pretty soon we will have outsourced all of our manufacturing, and we won't have the technology, capacity, or skilled labor to build the weapons to defend ourselves. Our enemies will simply walk right in and take over, and we won't be able to do a thing about it.

    The typical American business model may be great for a few investors who have time to follow their stocks all day, and jump when the time is right, but for the rest of us, its not so great. In China, the govt will subsidize a business sector to get it started. In America, a company's stock drops 5 points if the CEO sneezes.

    We are on a viscious downslope with our business models here in the US, and I don't see where its going to stop.

    Communism is a bad idea, but a 5-year plan isn't.
  12. atblis

    atblis Well-Known Member


    Yeah, if they manage to crap them up enough, Ruger might look like a good alternative. :neener:
  13. SG Merc

    SG Merc Well-Known Member

    Do I think it's a good thing for the future of firearms availability that nearly all firearms will be manufactured by only two companies?

    Absolutely not.
  14. Robert Hairless

    Robert Hairless Well-Known Member

    Aren't such developments inherent in a free market system?
  15. Winchester 73

    Winchester 73 member

    Certainly correct.The market will make the necessary adjustments.Nothing to worry about,IMO.
  16. nplant

    nplant Well-Known Member

    Look on the bright side - what with the dollar doing worse against other foreign currency, pretty soon, everyone will be switching their loss-leader products to US manufacture. Heheheh.
  17. Technosavant

    Technosavant Well-Known Member

    I would probably expect that eventually, once the companies become stronger, Cerberus would spin them off, likely as one larger corporation with all the brand names under one roof. Spinning off a healthy company through sale of stock would generate a fair amount of profit (stripping and flipping may be worthwhile for shortsighted investors or companies that can't be made healthy, but if they can, better to rehab it).

    If absolutely nothing else, the brand names themselves are worthwhile, and can be licensed, much like Olin licensed the Winchester name to USRAC.
  18. Charles Daly

    Charles Daly Well-Known Member

    Steve N: what jerkface posted just before you is correct. The firearms from DPMS and Bushmaster cannot be imported into the US. They must be made here.
  19. ozarkhillbilly

    ozarkhillbilly Well-Known Member

    Lets see there are still

    Cerberus Capital Management
    Les Baer
    Rock River
    And all others I have forgotten

    I do not know but that seems a far cry from just a couple. Lets face it Winchester and Remington were bought because they could not turn a profit and had massive debt. Marlin, DPMS, Bushmaster and Thompson/Center as well as a few other small players were bought because they could turn a profit but they needed cash to go to the next stage more then they could make, so their owners sold them nothing wrong with that.

    By the way most companies do not out source because of lower paid workers, they out source because imbedded taxes count for around 30% of the cost of anything made in the USA. Cut out that 30% and factor in the fact that Americans are the hardest and most productive workers in the world and companies from all over the world would be opening factories here.
  20. RedLion

    RedLion Well-Known Member

    Cerberus is only concerned with making money. They do this by taking out a loan for a very large portion of the cost of buying a company. Rearrange and streamline the management to make the company more profitable then turn around and sell it for an amount a little larger than what it cost in the beginning, but since most of the money is from loans they really doubled their investment.

    I don't see a problem with it because Cerberus knows if they make garbage people won't buy it and they will lose a huge amount of money (read loan default) and they'll be in real trouble.

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