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What would be the better Rifle?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by txman321, May 28, 2009.

  1. txman321

    txman321 Well-Known Member

    I currently have a mossberg atr 100 and I was looking at a remington 700 Sps and I really like the way the remington fits me and the way the action is.

    is the remington 700 the better gun? Would it be worth it to upgrade

    this is for hunting intended purposes, trying to get my deer rig set up for this year.
  2. Fumbler

    Fumbler Well-Known Member

    If you like the way it fits you then that by itself is worth upgrading.

    "Better" depends on how you define it.
    The Rem 700 has better fit and finish and has huge aftermarket support.
    Both are probably equivalent in accuracy, at least if deer are your target.
    Don't buy the hype about every 700 shooting MOA. I've never seen a sporter weight 700 shoot 1MOA with factory loads.

    So, if you like it then get it. If it fits you better and you feel more comfortable with it then you will shoot it better.
  3. txman321

    txman321 Well-Known Member

    Hmm I may have to upgrade to it its pretty tempting, I havent had any problems with the atr but I always heard good things about the remington and it seems to fit better. Im looking at getting one in either .270 or .30-06.
  4. Fumbler

    Fumbler Well-Known Member

    Since you haven't bought the 700 yet, why don't you take a look at the Tikka T3?

    I have one and it fits me better than every other bolt gun I've handled. I'm 5'-8" and 170 lbs.
    The T3 has even better machining quality than the 700 and, more accurate, and with a scope it weighs the same as a 700 without scope (if weight matters to you).

    It's just MHO, but 700s are overrated.

    In the grand scheme of things all those rifles will kill a deer. Dead is dead right? Just get what makes you feel good :)
  5. txman321

    txman321 Well-Known Member

    what is the price range on a t3? Im looking to spend around 500-650ish if possible
  6. Uncle Mike

    Uncle Mike Well-Known Member

    Fumbler summed it up pretty well.

    Remingtons aint all that, especially the newer ones. 1000 screaming customers can't be all wrong. (I feel the sights on my back now) :neener:

    You can step into a Tikka for the cash your wanting to spend, if you run across a T-3 that costs more than $600 run the other way. :what:

    If it is that your just wanting a new rifle, well you have the disease... no problem! :D

    All the rifles mentioned will shoot accurately enough to swack deer ect..

    Have you checked out a Savage or Browning?
  7. txman321

    txman321 Well-Known Member

    i probably just want a new gun lol, i bet my atr will do fine for deer but Im itchin for a new rifle:) I want something of a lil bit higher quality
  8. eye5600

    eye5600 Well-Known Member

    IMHO, the thing that makes your decision hard is that although the ATR is among the least expensive rifles, it's nonetheless pretty damn good. The general level of quality for bolt rifles these days is very high in terms of function although some folks who should know claim that standards for fit and finish have declined.
  9. Uncle Mike

    Uncle Mike Well-Known Member

    Do you want accuracy or good looks.... I bet you want them both, huh.. :D

    Built for speed and altitude.... as high and fast as your budget will let you go...

    Savage 114/14... Pretty, Accurate(the most so of the bunch)

    Tikka T-3... Pretty(if you don't mind the euro trash look), Accurate

    Browning A-Bolt... Pretty, Accurate(cost more than you want to spend?)oh yea, it's a jap built firearm also... IF your into buying American.

    Weatherby Vanguard... Some say they are pretty, if you get the sub-MOA then they will be accurate.(probably more than you want to spend) and the jap thing again.

    Disclaimer: All the above remarks are purely opinion and don't hold any merit.
    Most opinions are like sphincters... everone has one... most of em' stink.:neener:

    All accuracy statements are MOD(minute of deer) nothing more! :D
  10. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    A proper fit means good "shootability" and you'll do better at hitting your intended target. To me, the fit is more important than the looks or, in some cases, the price.
  11. flipajig

    flipajig Well-Known Member

    Im shooting a TC pro hunter and love it. Right now it has a 30-06 barrel on it. This way when im looking for another rifle I just have to buy the barrel at half the cost of a new rifle.
  12. MTMilitiaman

    MTMilitiaman Well-Known Member

    Hmm, I've never seen a sporter M700 not shoot MOA with at least one factory load.
  13. Fumbler

    Fumbler Well-Known Member

    I'd like to see a sporter weight 700 do MOA. Like I said, I've never seen it. I know tons of good ole boys around here who say their 700s will do it but they never back it up at the range or show me targets to prove it.
    Of course these guys simply bought their rifles because of the 700's reputation, not because they know anything about rifles. They're deer hunters who think if they buy the first box of premium hunting ammo they see then they'll be good to go. They're not exactly the shooting fanatics that most of us on the high road are.
    None of them have actually tested multiple factory loads to see which was more accurate, so I could very well be wrong. But still, I've probably seen 20 or more sporter weight 700s at the range over the years and you'd think if they were all that then I'd see at least a couple of decent groups.

    Come to think of it, not one of my friends who I would consider to be knowledgeable in guns owns a 700...

    I'm not saying they're bad rifles. I'm not saying they don't shoot well. I'm just saying I've never personally witnessed one that could hang with a Tikka, Browning, or even a Savage in the accuracy department.

    People should buy whatever rifle they fancy for the simple fact that it evokes some good feeling in them.
    I just don't like it when they justify the purchase of a 700 with a blanket statement that they are accurate when there are many other models that are at least as accurate. It's akin to saying "I bought this Honda Accord because it's fast." Well yes, it is fast, but 80% of the other cars on the road are at least as fast as an Accord.

    That's all my opinion based on my personal experience of course ;)
  14. MTMilitiaman

    MTMilitiaman Well-Known Member

    My family has been shooting the M700 since the early 70s. My dad and my uncle both have M700ADLs in .30-06 they bought around that time. My first hunting rifle was an ADL Synthetic in .270 Win. I replaced it with a BDL in 7mm Rem Mag. My brother hunts with an ADL Synthetic in .300 Win. Usually at least one weight of Remington Core-Lokts will group 3 rounds from the bench right around 1 MOA. And without fail, all will easily do it with handloads. The average for all of these rifles with all loads tested, if I had to guess, couldn't be much over 1.5 MOA. My dad still has that old ADL. The rifling is showing signs of wear, but the rifle will still do around an inch with his 180 gr Speer handloads. He hasn't shot factory loads in it since he started handloading.

    Remingtons have their problems. For example, my BDL fails to eject when the bolt is worked fast. But accuracy isn't one of them.

    And while I'll admit I've never shot one, the couple T3s I' handled have come across as cheap and flimsy, and more comparable in quality to Remington's throw away M710 than the M700. That would be just a casual observation, however.

    I've always been intrigued by the Brownings. Another uncle of mine had an Abolt in 7mm Rem Mag that he traded for a BAR in .338. The BAR has a BOSS and I've seen him shrink his groups from around 2 MOA to about half that tuning it in. That was with plan ol 225 gr Win Super-Xs.

    I am looking to replace my Remington, but when I do so it will most likely be with a custom Montana M1999, rather than any factory rifle.
  15. Big_E

    Big_E Well-Known Member

    I picked the Rem. 700 SPS .30-06 asmy 18th b-day present. I will admit I didn't know a whole lot about guns at the time. I tried the tikka t3, and I really liked the bolt. However, I went with Remington cause its American and I knew they were popular. I also went with the tupperware because I thought the black was cool.

    I would not buy this gun again. I love shooting it, but the features are not there for the price. I did not know about cheap synthetic stocks then, and I did not realize bull barrels were an upgrade accuracy wise. I will still probably keep the gun for hunting purposes. But I am disappointed that I did not know as much as I do now, back then.

    With my knowledge, I would go pick up a Savage. Accutrigger, and accustock (I got my rifle about 2 months before these were released.) Still American made and growing aftermarket. Except I would pick wood for the hunting rifle instead of synthetic.

    **Actually, I did have my eye on the T3 Super Varmint for awhile. Tikka's were high on my consideration list and the bolts are the best I have tried. I don't know how bad carrying around a bull barrel in the field would be though.
  16. rangerruck

    rangerruck Well-Known Member

    if for strictly hunting, I would stick with the atr. if doing some paperpunching as well, you can do a lot with a remmy.
  17. Omaha-BeenGlockin

    Omaha-BeenGlockin Well-Known Member

    My experiences are VERY similar to Fumbler's---Remington's ain't all that--and I've been saying that on this board for years.
  18. snakeman

    snakeman Well-Known Member

    every model 700 i have shot ( which is quite a few) has shot 1 moa with one factory loading or another. I would make the upgrade. Just get a new 2009 one so you can reap the rewards of remington's action and trigger upgrades
  19. benzy2

    benzy2 Well-Known Member

    Honestly from a hunting point of view I don't think you are gaining anything switching to the 700. If you were starting from scratch it wouldn't be a terrible choice but already having the ATR you aren't gaining much of anything. I certainly understand the bug for another rifle. I don't think I would buy a caliber close to the ATR. Instead I would go with something like a .223 or .243 and consider some smaller game or range time. It allows for more shooting options than two .30-06's does(or whatever your ATR is chambered in).
  20. Maverick223

    Maverick223 Well-Known Member

    I have seen several sporting profile 700s shoot about 1 MOA, but 1 MOA isn't what it used to be. Just about any half-way decent bolt gun will shoot MOA, with a good marksman behind the trigger, and decent cartridges in the chamber. I still maintain that the 700 is not a great buy. I would just as soon have the Mossberg (not really but i'd sell the 700). Find what fits you best and has the features that you want, if that is the 700 so be it.

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