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What would be your general recommendation for CCW?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Skribs, Nov 27, 2012.

  1. Rexster

    Rexster Senior Member

    Mar 25, 2007
    SE Texas
    I do not do catch-all recommendations. One thing I do is ask how of their own auto maintenance is performed themselves. A person who cannot change their own car's oil and spark plugs would probably not keep an autopistol properly maintained, IMHO, so that indicates a revolver.

    Some folks have little hand strength, so would be poorly-served by a heavy DA trigger pull, whether auto or revolver. If hand strength is not due to a chronic health issue, of course, I recommend strength training.
  2. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Senior Member

    Nov 25, 2006
    Northeast PA, USA
    Actually that's both true and false to a point. While I agree a J frame is a very good carry handgun it's not for the novice for several reasons.

    The DA trigger on a small revolver is hard to master.
    The very short sight picture multiples mistakes and the novice will make mistakes.
    Light revolvers enhance felt recoil making follow up shots more difficult.
    Because of the enhanced felt recoil many won't practice as they should.

    There are more but I think you get what I mean. While the revolver is simple it's not easy to shoot. Like I said, they are difficult to shoot well leading most who don't shoot them well to believe they are not accurate, not true of course. IMO J frame revolvers are not for the novice but for a more experienced shooter.
  3. justice06rr

    justice06rr Senior Member

    Oct 7, 2011
    What is wrong with buying a good looking pistol that also serves as a CCW?

    For example, IMO a H&K USP, Beretta M9, or Smith&Wesson M&P pistol is very sexy. They also happen to be very good CCW handguns. 1911's are great pistols too, but may require a bit more knowledge and experience to use as a first CCW pistol.

    On the flipside of that, if we didn't care about how our CCW's look then we should all carry Glock's, Keltec's, Taurus, or Hipoint's. Nothing against those brands, but some of us can agree they are not the best looking.

    Going back to my very first CCW pistol purchase a few years ago, I had a choice between 3 guns: Glock19, M&P9, and XD9sc. I went with the M&P because it looked great, fit in my hands well, very well-balanced, high-quality and finish, and is American made. I'm sure the same can be said about the Glock and XD, well except they are not American made.

    It took me about 3years to warm up to a Glock. I now carry a Glock19 and also shoot it in 3-gun. But if someone gave me $500 to buy another pistol right now, I would buy and M&P9 in a heartbeat.


    So on the topic, I would recommend in random order:
    1. M&P9 (with ext safety)
    2. Ruger SR9c
    3. XD9sc
    4. Glock19/26
    5. USP9c
    6. 38Revolver
  4. psyopspec

    psyopspec Senior Member

    Sep 28, 2004
    Cape Cod
    I took someone shooting last night who had never touched or fired a gun in her life. We started with a .22, then tried an M&P that was too large for her hands before renting CZ-75 which was much more comfortable for the shooter.

    She held my Gen 3 Glock 19, but the grip was too large so we didn't fire it; it was still a starting point, just one that was quickly dismissed. Point being there's a huge swath of difference between this thread, which is narrow in scope with certain unrealistic parameters, and the real life business of introducing a new shooter to firearms.

    I take back what I said earlier about this being a civilized discussion with no one coming into the thread and bashing on another brand. It's interesting that as long as it's directed toward Glock it's okay, but multiple posters were complaining about non-existent comments where those of us who suggested that brand got smacked down for non-existent bashing of 'everything else.'
  5. elrowe

    elrowe Member

    Jan 26, 2012
    Hopefully other states are the same, but in KY CCDW courses, we're actually legally required to teach a block of instruction on choosing guns for carry students and prohibited from making an endorsement of a particular selection. Without looking at the book at the moment, we have to discuss and display (at least diagrams of) 1911s, S&W semi autos, revolvers, and Sigs (I may have missed one or two) as part of the class.

    That way the guys that typically say J-frame for every woman or Glock for every man don't lead as many folks down a bad first choice (for them) path.
  6. Tcruse

    Tcruse Member

    Oct 24, 2011
    A couple of comments:
    1) No matter how careful you are, your first gun will probably not be the one that you stay with long term. (My first purchase was KelTec P11 - exactly what I thought that it was, worked fine, however, after extended range time uncomfortable hand from harsh re-coil and long hard trigger hampered accuracty)
    2) I have tried wheel guns on numerous occasions and they are just not something that I would ever want to own or carry. Too front heavy, having to manually remove spent shells, low round count, and uncomfortable grip shape.
    3) 1911 pattern guns are easy for beginners to shoot at the range, but there is a lot of things to remember for safe carry and lots of things needed to keep the gun in best condition. Also, probably not really best choice for ccw. So, not on my recommendation list.
    4) There is a lot of different opinions on what is best gun for people with small (or fat hands with short fingers). I have tried a lot of different guns, including CZ75B (least best fit), Barretta 92FS (good), Tarus PT92 (good), M&P 9 (OK), Styer (OK), Barretta PX4 (good), Ruger P95 (very good), and Glock. Glock G3 26 and Glock G4 17 are my current best of breed picks. Suspect that Ruger SR9 and Caracal C are also good choices but have not shoot either.
    5) I am in the "simple" no extra manual safety or other distractaction for a SD weapon. At best case you will be under a lot of pressure, and the fewer things that can go wrong the better.
    6) Practice with .22LR (like Ruger MKiii 22/45 or SR22) is a very good place to start the shooting habit/training. First make shooting fun and peasurable experience so that the new user will actually practice after the "new" wears off.
    7) Find a range that is a friendly place for new shooters and offer classes, shooting leagues, fun events ..... (Locally, ShootSmartTX.com is one good example). Renting a lane by itself is only one part of the equation.
    8) Stay with 9 mm. Smaller gives you more expense (ammo price) and no real difference in recoil. Larger gives you more expense and need for more skill to carry and only marginal (if any) more stopping power. A DE 50AE is not a good choice for carry.
  7. tacxted

    tacxted Member

    Sep 11, 2012
    Maine, USA
    The whole time I would be talking to the "customer" I would (in my head) be thinking of a sub-compact 9mm or a compact .38 special. S&W and Glock come to mind.
  8. walnut1704

    walnut1704 Member

    Nov 26, 2010
    Houston, Texas
    So what you're really asking is.."What gun is so universal that anybody could shoot it". Duh. A .38 revolver. Anybody who's watched TV knows how to load it and fire it. An expert could do very well with one, a beginner would probably get a shot, or two, off.
  9. Shadow 7D

    Shadow 7D Senior Member

    Nov 30, 2008
    Frozen North
    Um, except, I won't touch one, not for CCW, my curve is nonexistent
    I learned on autos, what I know, wheelie guns aren't even on my horizon

    *well, except maybe for a 'Hand of God' or an inexpensive brass frame C&B (these are BP guns BTW..)
  10. 1911 guy

    1911 guy Senior Member

    May 5, 2005
    Garrettsville, Oh.
    Another answr you don't want to hear. The perfect carry gun is one that fits your hands well, is the largest caliber you can comfortably manage in the largest frame size you will consistently carry and be able to conceal. All this varies with body shape, effort put into carrying the gun and willingness to learn to control recoil.
  11. beatledog7

    beatledog7 Senior Member

    Jun 18, 2011
    We just can't shift this discussion from hardware to mindset, can we. So be it.

    When I decided to carry a gun, I didn't shoot a whole bunch of guns or study ballistics tables; I did my kind of research--talking to experienced CCW-ers. After a couple of months of contemplation about why I wanted to be armed and realizing I had my head in the right place, I bought a 642 and applied for my Virginia CHP. I guess I'm the one guy in 500 somebody noted; I still carry that 642 almost exclusively.

    Still, I recommend now that new shooters try as many guns that meet their criteria as they can get their hands on, but note they need to know their criteria first. Trying guns that will prove ill suited to a given shooter's needs is a waste of time and too often leads to an inappropriate choice.
  12. Tcruse

    Tcruse Member

    Oct 24, 2011
    In Texas you will want to qualify for ccw using a semi-automatic, since if you do not you can not carry a semi-automatic only revolver. With a Semi-Automatic qualification you can carry either.
    As far as maintenance I do not think that you will ever find a gun that requires less or is easier to maintain than a Glock Gen3 or Gen4. Fewer parts than most (all?) and very easy to field strip (or complete disassembly, using one small tool). Also, Glocks can take a lot of abuse and still work every time.
    Now, I agree that you probably will never show your Glock to your friends to brag about how good it looks or how much it costs.
  13. Dave P.

    Dave P. Member

    Jul 9, 2011
    If they really want a carry gun either a Glock26 or a Ruger LCR.
    Want a handgun for the house then it's a Glock17 or Ruger GP100.
    And I'd push in the direction of the revolver, to me they are somewhat more
    idiot proof...at least for a firearm.
  14. Hit_Factor

    Hit_Factor Member

    Nov 20, 2011
    St. Joseph, MI
    5 shot 38 revolver or sub-compact 9mm semi-auto.
  15. EBK

    EBK Member

    Sep 14, 2012
    my answer would be just a vage as the question is.

    I would simply say anything between .22 and .45 and from a company with a good reputation. With more info we could narrow it down from there.
  16. Plan2Live

    Plan2Live Senior Member

    May 17, 2011
    Columbia, SC
    Because the title on this thread would tend to attract new shooters or people new to Concealed Carry, I thought a quick re-cap was in order. Based on my review of the above posts, here is how it breaks down so far…

    25 Generic Suggestion or No Suggestion

    23 Glock

    14 Revolver

    5 Other Specific Brand

    8 N/A – mostly squabbling replies to posts

    Let’s face it, a Glock doesn’t do anything significantly differently than a M&P, XD, XDm, H&K, Taurus, Kahr or other compact or subcompact semi-auto striker fired pistol. Pointing to Glock’s widespread use among law enforcement agencies as proof of their superiority is like claiming that a Ford Crown Victoria is the best car on the road or the best car for a new driver because of it’s widespread use among law enforcement agencies.

    The fact remains that not all shooters have the same likes, dislikes, needs or hot buttons. There are numerous manufacturers making very reliable, very accurate products. As a result, there is no across the board answer as the best handgun for any purpose. Giving a one size fits all answer is simply arrogant, irresponsible and overtly biased.

    Buying a gun, holster, belt, accessories and ammunition is a very large investment for most people. New shooters or new carriers should try as many options as possible before making a purchase.
  17. Sock Puppet

    Sock Puppet Member

    Nov 30, 2009
    High Desert
    Well said.
  18. mljdeckard

    mljdeckard Senior Member

    Jun 5, 2006
    In a part of Utah that resembles Tattooine.
    The advantage that a Glock DOES have over some of the newer ones, is that is is much more widely used and much more standardized. You are much more likely to find them used than the others, and because there are so many, they are usually cheaper. Also for things like holsters, magazines, etc.

    I won't say that a Glock always has a quality advantage over the newer polymer framed guns, or that you can't find a deal on the others. (I just got my wife a like-new XD-9 for $300.) But they are in wider use, they have been around longer, and they are more standardized.
  19. larryh1108

    larryh1108 Senior Member

    Aug 29, 2008
    ex-IL, ex-CT, now NC
    If I was in charge of marketing for a new gun shop and was trying to reach the CCW market, I'd have a picture of a Kahr PM9, Ruger LCP, a Sig .380, a J frame snubbie and a Boberg. Of course there are as many guns as there are companies that make them that work but this is what pops into my mind when advertising for a CCW. Small yet discreet and easy to carry.

    It amazes me at how many people just can't get the concept of just throwing thoughts out there without all of the posturing, finger pointing and other deep insight you wish to share. Some times you can just toss out a thought or idea just for the sake of a good discussion. That never seems to happen here for whatever reason. Anyone who posts knows skribs is not a newbie and he asked a simple question for which a simple answer could be given but, of course, that just can't happen here. It's amazing.
  20. JohnBiltz

    JohnBiltz Senior Member

    Aug 17, 2010
    Phoenix, AZ
    I don't know what people think a "recommendation" means. Its something to look at, maybe try. It doesn't mean if the grip is too large to hold buy it anyway. Concealed carry is a very personal thing. Its also something very different to live with than to imagine and surprisingly different from individual to individual. Even Glock guys will argue about whether its better to carry a G26 or the larger G19. Then you can make a very informed decision based on logic, research and testing and discover you just hate carrying it. You really can't pick a carry for someone. But recommend one, sure why not?

    I've been asked a few times and my answer is always the same, "I carry a G26". That is not being a fan boy. Its the only gun I've ever carried, how could I answer anything else? I suspect there is little difference between carrying a Glock, M&P or the Rugers because they are all pretty similar in size and all are well made handguns from quality manufacturers. All follow my carry philosophy of having a handgun with at least ten rounds of major caliber rounds in the magazine and being reliable.

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