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What's a good surrogate for .50BMG?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Classical Liberal, May 10, 2006.

  1. Even though it's legal in Sweden, I just cannot afford paying a lot of money ($2000 for the cheapest single-shot version AFAIK) for something that only has niche uses for me (taking out bears and zombies in armored icecream trucks).

    So, what's a good surrogate? Maybe AP .308? Also, I'm sure Raufoss makes some rounds in .308 that would be useful for defeating aforementioned living dead in assault vehicles.

    Your tips, folks ;)
  2. benEzra

    benEzra Moderator Emeritus

    AFAIK, Raufoss has never made any of their well-known AP/explosive/incendiary rounds in anything smaller than .50 BMG, and they don't sell them to civilians.

    Ballistically, a .338 Lapua Magnum will match the trajectory of a .50 BMG with less recoil. I doubt rifles are much less expensive, though...
  3. Chipperman

    Chipperman Well-Known Member

    What are the Full-auto laws in Sweden?

    How about a .308 or 8mm belt-fed? :evil:
  4. Basically I need something I can shoot into an engine block so it will blow up (or at least not work).
  5. mondocomputerman

    mondocomputerman Well-Known Member

  6. AJAX22

    AJAX22 Well-Known Member


    most rounds 7.62x39 and larger with FMJ mil surp ammo will disable an engine, the 7.62x39 will reliably either punch into the block, or dent the cylinder walls causing the piston to seize on most engines.

    if you can get carbide tipped AP ammo it helps out even more, the bullets themselves are legal at least in the us, they become illegal here in california when you load them into cartridges however.

    You certainly have varried interests. be carefull lest you incur more scrutiny than you really want.
  7. Well if TSHTF I'm gonna have to disable zombie ninjas in armored icecream trucks.

    Mainly I just have an active imagination (fuelled by coffee) ;)
  8. KaceCoyote

    KaceCoyote Well-Known Member

    I agree destroying vehicles is an awesome use for the Kalashnikov, especially in the RPK format. 122 grain FMJ and 154gr Wolf hit pretty damn hard and I've used it to rip some old carparts(waterpumps, alternators cycl heads and yes an old Godevil block) apart at 100 yards. The 122 grain will crack cyc walls, and I split the godevil almost into thirds with 5 rounds.
  9. jerkface11

    jerkface11 Well-Known Member

    How about a nice SVD. They make the civie version in 9.3x64 now. :D
  10. mausgun

    mausgun Active Member

    No, they don't. After reading penal code sections 12320, 12321 and 12323, and then calling DOJ enforcement division in Sacramento for specific clarification regarding .30-06 AP ammo/bullets, I can say with absolute confidence that AP ammo for rifles is not illegal in CA, whether as bullets or loaded cartridges, so long as it cannot be used in a handgun (12323(b)) available through normal commercial channels (over the counter).

    As long as bad information like this is propagated on the net, we in Kalifornica will never keep any rights fer ourselves fer Chr*****ke.:cuss:
  11. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Is the Thompson Contender available over the counter in CA? If so, there is your .30-06 chambered handgun.
  12. Dark Helmet

    Dark Helmet Well-Known Member

    What about a 378 or 30-378 Weatherby?
  13. Deer Hunter

    Deer Hunter Well-Known Member

    Before addressing the issue, I just have to state my concern about the legality of this person owning a rifle. I don't know about you guys, but whenever I see threads appear insisting a caliber that is good for two-legged SHTF situations, shooting through engine blocks, general urban havok, ect, I get a bit nervous.

    But whatever. Go with a .308.
  14. mausgun

    mausgun Active Member

    No. TC does not market a 30-06 chambered handgun in CA; it will sell receiver/grip and barrels to attach only to dealers and distributors. The assembled piece is considered a custom assembled firearm, assembled to order and not OTC. It would be OTC only if gun stores in general advertised a 30-06 T/C as available preassembled. They don't as far as I have seen. Not in this state. Most gun storekeepers and counterpersons are too paranoid or uninformed to tempt fate. However, this is a red herring and not relevant.

    Consider the following: a direct copy from "California Firearms Laws":

    That exception is pivotal. "..primarily designed for use in rifles." No other section in the penal code contravenes the meaning of that exeption. If you get busted for holding AP rifle ammo or bullets exempt under 12323(b), a prosecutor won't get as far as a preliminary hearing, and you may have a pretty good case for false arrest unless you're stupid and there are other charges. The ammo charge won't stand.

    Of course, you can make your own interpretation of it in direct contradiction of the CA DOJ's chief enforcement officer's clarification. But, then, maybe most folks really would like it to be true. As I said, keep uninformed opinion going and elected reps may well hear and act on it.
  15. Terrierman

    Terrierman Well-Known Member

    40 mm cannon with spent uranium slugs is pretty hard on an engine block. Are those legal in Sweden? And where is my Bikini Team alumnus of recent vintage anyway?
  16. JohnKSa

    JohnKSa Well-Known Member

    Probably your cheapest option is a sturdy rifle chambered in .45/70.

    Then you need to check out some of this ammo...


    It's not exactly long-range (due to trajectory), but I think it's going to make a hole in most things it hits.

    Actually, if you get a laser range finder, you can stretch your shots. The round will travel a long way, but the low velocity makes for a rainbow trajectory.

    Or, with the right rifle, you can load your own ammo a bit hotter--if you can stand the recoil.
  17. db_tanker

    db_tanker Well-Known Member

    Heck, how bout one of those Sharps or Pedersoli rifles in one of the old 50 caliber BP rounds?

    I wouldn't mind a 50-110 Winchester Express. :)

  18. Medusa

    Medusa Well-Known Member

    Then you might need something like this, it is Swedish product, anyway.
  19. AJAX22

    AJAX22 Well-Known Member

    I keep hearing mixed things on AP ammo, I don't mean to spread disinformation if I'm wrong. but i was under the impression that AP was LEO in california as was tracer ammo and any bullet that contained anything other than a small amount of copper with the rest being lead.

    If I'm wrong, I would love to go buy some for shtf scenario, but I havent found any in cali for sale.
  20. MagnumCaliber357

    MagnumCaliber357 Well-Known Member

    Can you say "depleted uranium" :evil: Gosh i wish they were legal :banghead:

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