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whats wrong with 10mm?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by i loves my gun, Feb 3, 2011.

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  1. i loves my gun

    i loves my gun Well-Known Member

    ive been lookin around and it just seems to me more people would rather have 9mm, 40s&w, 45 acp and .45gap whats the deal?
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2011
  2. Birdmang

    Birdmang Well-Known Member

    The ammo isn't readily available like 9mm. You need to actively find it. The ammo is more expensive than most 9/.40.
  3. GuysModel94

    GuysModel94 Well-Known Member

    If you want some good info on the 10mm drop in on "GlockTalk" there are a lot of 10mm shooters over there, i own a Glock37 (45GAP) and really love the round, recoils like a 40 and hits like a 45. (before someone jumps down my throat, thats the company line).
  4. Frozen North

    Frozen North Well-Known Member

    When 9mm was hard to find, 10mm was non existent. Even FMJ practice ammo had dried up.

    That is a weak reason though, .380 was almost as tough to find and people were still buying LCP and P3-at pistols like they were going out of style.

    It was rough around here about a year ago! All we could find was .45acp and .357 reliably!
  5. xr1200

    xr1200 Well-Known Member

    basically 10mm started out in the early 80's and was used in custom 10mm auto, Don Johnson carried one in miami vice, called the bren ten http://www.bren-ten.com/website/ this gun staterd the whole 10mm thing.

    I think its a cross between a cz75 and a s&w 59 in 10mm.

    Then in the late 80's colt came out with 10mm delta elite and soon the fbi and a lot gun makers came out with 10mm versions , SW with the 1006.

    Shortly after its adoption by the fbi and other police found it was to hard for smaller cops and women to control, so SW and the fbi got together and came out with the 40sw, that is simply a shorter downloaded 10mm.

    This round in testing did everything the 10mm or the 9mm couldn't and was widely adopted.

    Some after the 10mm excitement , went away and is only still chambered by a few holdouts like glock and smith revolvers etc.

    Ammo and Brass supplies soon started to dry up and costs increased.

    Basically 10mm is a great round and very accurate, its close to 357 mag in power and some loads exceed even 357 mag.

    The problem is that 10mm is very hard on semi auto actions and is actually overkill for a defense load and at max loads its hard to control.

    For defense loads it really needs to be downloaded to about 40sw loads, so the question is why even bother with the 10mm, basically 40sw replaced it.

    A lot ppl still buy 10mm pistols but they soon find out the problems of owning one and will switch to a more controlable round. Also shooting 10mm brass and not recovering it cost a lot, not something you want to throw away.

    This is why 10mm ammo is so expensive and hard to come by.
  6. i loves my gun

    i loves my gun Well-Known Member

    good stuff
  7. DasFriek

    DasFriek Well-Known Member

    I actually love the 10mm as much as i do my 1911's in .45acp
    But the cost of ammo and its rarity and a very slim choice in gun designs make it very hard to choose a 10mm over a .45 anymore.

    But i do miss my G20, But besides home defense and range duty which i couldn't afford the full power loads i found it better to get it another home.

    Hopefully one day ill see a 10mm design i just cant pass up and pray the ammo situation is better as im not gonna reload anytime soon.
  8. McCall911

    McCall911 Well-Known Member

    I'm a big 10mm fan, but I know this cartridge isn't for everybody. Not only is ammo somewhat hard to find and expensive, but there is also the recoil which some people apparently find objectionable. Also it's generally best suited for heavier frame guns, which might make it less than ideal for potential use as a CCW. Of course, with the notable exception of that pesky Glock. :D
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  9. Jed Carter

    Jed Carter Well-Known Member

    Nice write up on 10mm XR1200, there is a little devil in me that says I want a 10mm pistol, but not if I have to find and pay for ammo. 10mm is a novelty these days, I would not want it as my only pistol, but to round out a collection. As for .45GAP, why, only 3 pistols made to shoot it, G37, 38, 39.
  10. mbruce

    mbruce Well-Known Member

    I haven't read the above posts so sorry if already mentioned....

    The Glock 10mm will convert into a .40 s&w (same mags too), and a .357 Sig. Not too bad of a combo ;-) See Lonewolf for more.

    The only reason not to get a 10mm (and a .45GAP), IMO, is the lack of ammo in retail stores. Sure you can purchase millions of rounds online -- but my preference is to have the option of buying in most stores, buying online, and having a qty of reloading components to go with my caliber of choice. You will find that is why most prefer the 9mm, .40 S&W, .45ACP. But you must ask yourself what kind of handgun owner are you....and will a 10mm fit into your "plan." I would definately have a 9mm, .40 s&w, .45acp before a 10mm and/or .45GAP -- again, based purely only ammo being readily available.

    In a hypethetical situation I would think the 10mm is more popular than the 9, .40sw, .45acp
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  11. mbruce

    mbruce Well-Known Member

    because the .45GAP a Glock based concept.... guess Sig's .357 caught on a little better with other manufactureres.
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  12. jmr40

    jmr40 Well-Known Member

    10mm ammo is easily available here www.georgia-arms.com it is priced about the same as 45ACP. When all other ammo was hard to find they had plenty in 10mm.

    I like the 10mm and feel it definately has a niche, but make no mistake it is a niche round. I don't see the point in a rifle. I own several handguns in 10mm, 9mm and 45. No 40's only because I do have 10mm's and don't see the need for both.

    For general use the 9mm and 45 do almost anything I need a handgun round to do. The 10mm has a specific role for me. It is my hiking/camping pistol. I like having 357 mag power with 16 rounds available when in black bear country. Anywhere else and I carry either a 9 or 45 depending on my mood.
  13. wow6599

    wow6599 Well-Known Member

    Same here^

    But, does anyone besides me feel like the 10mm is making a comeback......a resurgence of sorts? Way too good of a cartridge for its place with the mainstream shooting community.
  14. HM2PAC

    HM2PAC Well-Known Member


    Thanx for the link, those prices are fantastic for fmj practice ammo.
  15. GuysModel94

    GuysModel94 Well-Known Member

    Wrong info on Glock being the only maker of platforms for the 10mm. Kimber makes a really nice 1911 stainless in 10mm.
  16. mbruce

    mbruce Well-Known Member

    That's a perfect post --

    Mr. jmr mentions you can purchase all the rounds you can afford online, that he has other calibers (where ammo is readily available), and a 10mm fits into his "gun plan" as a hiking/camping pistol.

    If you are a SHTF kind of handgun owner as I am ...then I strongly urge you to look at a gun that can quickly be converted to shoot multiple calibers (i.e., .40sw to 9mm), (10mm to .40sw to .357 sig), (.45ACP to .50GI!!!), etc. etc....

    FN, SW MP, Glock, HK, XDM... are a few gun makers that have .40/9mm conversions.
  17. jem375

    jem375 Well-Known Member

    actually the FBI 10MM handgun was the S&W model 1076 and I have a FBI turn in which still has the mag release whereas the gun will not fire with the mag out...
  18. tinygnat219

    tinygnat219 Well-Known Member

    10MM is a great round, but it has been relegated to the mists of the niche cartridges. If you want a 10MM today, you have a few choices: Glock, EAA Witness, and Custom 1911 manufacturers, along with S&W's 310 Nightguard (the 610 was recently discontinued). Other than that, you might be able to find a Bren-10 or something along those lines. The Glock 20 IMHO is the best gun for this round.

    It's unfortunate that the great gun manufacturers stopped making guns for the round.
  19. Ben86

    Ben86 Well-Known Member

    The ammo is just not as easy to get, and the gun selection in 10mm is really limited. It's just about either a Glock or EAA Witness. No thanks, the practical three will do just fine for me.
  20. swinokur

    swinokur Well-Known Member

    Ammo is more money, but it's easy to find. I can think of 3-4 manufacturers have plenty of it.

    I have a G29SF. Possible slide damage is easily fixed with a more powerful recoil spring. I have Wolf non captured 21# spring and SS guide rod. Very smooth no issues. Even keeps your brass in the same county. My stock Glock spring worked fine as well. Use a 40 conversion barrel so cheap 40 can be used at the range and if SHTF I have plenty of 40 ammo on hand. I got a 4.5 inch barrel for woods use.

    The 10mm is regaining some of it's popularity IMO.
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