Whats your BS Meter say to this??

[itgoesboom]

Was reading a thread over on TFL, and I came across this little response to a thread about Romanian SVD "almost clones".

The Romanians are a cheap imitation to the Draganov. They are not as accurate nor as reliable as the Authentic Drag's. With my Romanian, I would only pull around 3" groups at 600 meters, and I am a government trained former sharpshooter so my shooting error is null or none. With my Draganov Tiger, I am shooting around 1 1/2 to 2 inch groups at roughly 800 meters. That is about all that can be expected from a Soviet Block rifle.

Now, I am no rifle expert, but I have been around the block a few times, and shot at various ranges. And I have never heard of someone being able to get a 1 1/2-2" group at 800 yards with pretty much anything, including a draganuv.

So what say you? BS or not?

I.G.B.

 

[bobs1066]

IMHO, he's full of wild blueberry muffins. I know of nothing that will shoot 2 inch groups at 800 meters. Could be he's using devaluded meters that are only 6 inches long..

 

[Nathanael_Greene]

I don't believe it.

800 meters is more than half a mile.

"...my shooting error is null or none"--??

I dare say you could put any rifle in a rock-solid rest and it wouldn't hit within 2" of the same spot (any spot, not just a bullseye) at 800 yards.

 

[HighVelocity]

 

[AK-74me]

Lol

But he is govt' trained LMFAO, he then goes on to say he'll put up $5k against anyone in a shoot off. I got a nice laugh too.

 

[Bear Gulch]

He's smacking on the romainan for being sub MOA! If he can show me this feat, I will happily buy his ammo at Camp Perry!

 

[Marko Kloos]

I am a government trained former sharpshooter so my shooting error is null or none.

Yeah, my BS meter pegged at that sentence.

Even the vaunted PSG-1, probably among the most accurate semi-auto rifles in the world, is a 1 MOA rifle, maybe 3/4 MOA on a good day with a great trigger nut and match ammo. That's eight inches at 800 yards, maybe six. If this guy has a Dragunov that routinely shoots a group a third of that size, he's Supergrunt, and his rifle is the most accurate autochucker ever built.

 

[Powderman]

No doubt trained well as an Army Ranger Seal, headquartered at the Air Force Academy.

 

[ceetee]

HighVelocity:

I think you need to have your meter checked...

 

[ksnecktieman]

If you change the 800 meters to 80 meters that post is well within reason. I am having difficulty typing this with my feet up on the desk

 

[smokemaker]

Somebody might shoot two inch groups at 800 meters with a two inch bored field piece... and ONE shot. Put on yer boots, boys, it's getting deep!

 

[Bear Gulch]

Please let me correct my math. 3 inch groups at 600 yards would be 1/2 MOA. I think the makers of the Romanian Drags should hire Sir Studly for their PR dept as he is proving that they are among the best rifles ever built.

 

[Wayne D]

Which video game has Draganovs?

 

[jobu07]

The romanian "drag clone" is a fine rifle capable of relativly good accuracy, but this man is really full of it. I'd like to see him in action!

 

[jaysouth]

Depends......


Was he using an armored wheelbarrow as a shooting platform?

He might have been a homemade "can" as a silencer/sound suppressor. Sometimes this will improve accuracy as well.

I will buy his gas and ammo if he will come to the local club and do a demo for us.

I would not question his "government trained" credentials. The women's auxilary of the ground observer corps is supposed to have the best sniper training in the world. ditto for the U.S. dept of Agriculture.

 

[RyanM]

2" at 800 m... that's ~875 yards. 31496.063 inches, 2 inches. That calculates to 0.00363828 degree; 1 MOA = .016666(repeating) degree. 0.2183 MOA. 1.5" at same is .027287 degree, or 0.1637 MOA.

Though that's using the "real" measurement of 1/60th of a degree for the MOA, which is actually 1" at 95.493 yards, or 1.0472" at 100 yards. 1" at 100 yards is really 0.0159155 degree, or about 57.3 seconds of angle. (isn't math fun?!?!?!?)

I dunno, 2" at the 800 meter line might be possible for that guy... if he's shooting from the 799 meter line!

 

[Mulliga]

If that individual can shoot that well, he should have multiple Camp Perry titles, and perhaps a few Olympic medals.

Consistent 2" groups at 800 yards is simply not possible, at least with a shoulder fired, conventionally operating rifle.

I'm reminded of the thread about the cop who can draw from a holster, fire ten shots, and get a 3" group at 25 yards in less than 3 seconds.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=105273&highlight=good

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

I am shooting around 1 1/2 to 2 inch groups at roughly 800 meters.

Where is Bogie? He could make some serious money off this guy.

 

[dolanp]

He just forgot to tell you that he was shooting at the world's most powerful magnet.

 

[Owen]

Maybe he meant he could shoot 2" groups at 800 hours? Its usually a little windy in the morning....

 

[armoredman]

I thought Gunkid didn't like Russian guns....

 

[SouthpawShootr]

Anybody calling his bs over at TFL? I may just have to find that thread. Might be entertaining reading.

 

[AK-74me]

Yeah they are but mods. trying to calm it down. It's in the rifle forum if you want to take a look see.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Could be he's using devaluded meters that are only 6 inches long.

Maybe those are sovmeters.

 

[Mute]

Of course he's for real. Hell, I can hold 1" at 1200 yards. Of course, that's only because the government trained me to be a death machine. I mean it's not me. It's the training. Fear is not an option.