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When a non reloader becomes a freeloader

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by lykoris, Mar 6, 2010.

  1. lykoris

    lykoris Well-Known Member

    Just wondering if any of you have experienced taking the time to show somebody who initially presents an 'interest' in learning how to reload only to realise they're only interested in using your equipment and obtaining better cartridges at a fraction of factory cost ammo?
    Last edited: Mar 6, 2010
  2. buck460XVR

    buck460XVR Well-Known Member

    yea...............my two sons, LOL.:rolleyes:
  3. cottonmouth

    cottonmouth Well-Known Member

    Maybe it time to give the old "well I think you are on the right track now, you need to go ahead and and get your own set up" speach?

  4. snuffy

    snuffy Well-Known Member

    Anybody is welcome to come use my equipment anytime. As long as they don't use up my components. I would certainly expect them to eventually buy their own stuff, but circumstances like they don't have space available would mean they could use my stuff.

    Anything to further the sport!:D
  5. azyogi

    azyogi Well-Known Member

    Shooting's fun for my kids till they have to buy the ammo. It's the same thing with quads, everybody wants to ride nobody wantd to work on them or buy gas.
  6. lykoris

    lykoris Well-Known Member

    Fear not, I don't tolerate people wasting what little free time I have and have no reservations about frank communication. I don't beat about the bush or avoid pink elephants.

    My enthusiasm for reloading put my sceptic radar/capacity to judge character on the back burner.

    I won't talk about reloading anymore apart with fellow reloaders or attempt to convert non-reloaders :p
  7. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    Yes, and on top of that he was being careless with my LNL, so I cut him off. Still buddies at the range, and I'll help him out, but he doesn't load on my stuff ever again. Just be nice, and it will work out.....or not, but it won't be your fault if your nice. :)
  8. snuffy

    snuffy Well-Known Member

    Well forgive my generous nature! I'd give my ammo away if I weren't opening myself up for a law suit,(if something went wrong), just to get a person interested in the shooting sports/reloading.

    I have an open invitation to a rabid anti-gun-liberal at work. He hates guns and people that shoot. I challenged him to come shooting with me, just so he actually had some basis for his rants. He refuses, his mind is closed.

    Another fellow worker and young married/W/children, had just bought a new Savage .223. He tried various factory loads, was very disappointed in groups. I took a gamble, gave him some handloads I made for my AR. He raved about how much better they shot. I said you'll have to handload to get that kind of accuracy. He's now a new handloader, again with my help.
  9. lykoris

    lykoris Well-Known Member


    I was very accommodating on numerous occasions but at a certain point when the line has been clearly drawn there is an abuse of goodwill when the other party repeatedly persists. e.g. having dropped by one evening during the week (again on very short notice) to run 38 on the 650 and being told three times over the course of that two hour visit 'time to get your equipment' in plain English...I get a call today while he's in the gunstore on what bullets he should get so he can come back.

    I've by in large found that the shooting community like to share and I have a firm belief in exposing people to shooting/reloading to combat the negative social programming that the MSM portrays - here in Europe it's absurd the extent of the disinformation.

    Just wondered if anybody had experienced something similar.

    And this definitely isn't a money thing as he earns a very good living and could easily drop the funds for top reloading gear.

    I trully fail to understand the logic.
  10. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    I applaud you. I can not stand to watch someone abuse machinery, so I cut him off.

    I let folks shoot my ammo all the time. All I ask is they be safe, and be careful with the guns. If they can't do both, they get a gentle warning. If they still can't, to bad.
  11. snuffy

    snuffy Well-Known Member

    Wellll---in that case I'd say don't let the door hit ya where God split ya,,, on the way out!:mad: My generosity does have limits, I'm certainly no door mat! :cuss: There's always those that will take advantage of us that give freely.

    So you're over that big pond I never get to see, except in pictures!;)
  12. lgbloader

    lgbloader Well-Known Member

    I guess it depends on how strong of friendship you have with the chap.
    I have a friend that used to pull that nonsense with me but I got smart. I bought him a kit. LCT kit from Kempfs. Since then, he has put together quite a nice man cave behind his garage. I really like the place. 10' x 12' or so. Nice stereo, couch, mini fridge, a couple of benches (1 for brass work & gun cleaning, 1 for ammo assembly) Nice lighting. I go over there and work with him sometimes and drink his beer.
    But we have been friends since elementary school. I am glad we can now both go to eachother's house and talk story and work some brass.

  13. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Well-Known Member

    lgbloader beat me to it. Just how good friends are you with this guy? That would be a difference maker with me.
  14. MCMXI

    MCMXI Well-Known Member

    And there you have it. This guy is a USER plain and simple. You've been more than generous ... time to move on!!

    If he was making some effort by giving you bullets, powder, primers or cases then maybe you could cut him some slack ... as it is, he's a selfish wanker and is taking advantage of you .... MOVE ON!! I bet he's from Scotland!! :D

  15. lykoris

    lykoris Well-Known Member

    It wasn't my intention to get into specifics nor have a Dr. Phil moment with you guys :D

    It's more a case of, how do you separate the wheat from the chaff when somebody shows an interest in reloading? I think it's foolish of me to say I'll never talk about the benefits of reloading to non-reloaders.

    I realise there will never be any generic rule and each case differs but perhaps for future reference I'd be wiser in just providing directions rather than opening the door & saying 'hop in' and then driving them to their destination.

    Ultimately, if somebody is 'genuinely' interested they should have the motivation to do some research themselves and look into the details themselves.
  16. EddieNFL

    EddieNFL member

    You meant lie and brag while working brass, didn't you? ;)
  17. NuJudge

    NuJudge Well-Known Member

    Think "Liability." If someone blows themselves up with ammo loaded on your machinery, I can think of several legal theories under which you may get to pay his Doctor bills.

  18. mongoose33

    mongoose33 Well-Known Member

    I don't think you can somehow "pre-screen" people to find out if they're going to try to continue to use your stuff.

    Just tell 'em you'll be happy to get them started, maybe show them on your machine a couple times, and then advise them on equipment purchases of their own.

    And FWIW: Just because one guy is trying to take advantage of you doesn't mean everybody will.

    It can be easy for us to put up defenses so that nobody can ever do that again, but consider that it's possible he's just a jerk, and the next and next and next guys won't be.
  19. MissouriBullet

    MissouriBullet Well-Known Member

    Now it's time to present the standard equipment rental per hour fee, now that he's trained up and saving big bucks on his ammo. You're out the wear-and-tear otherwise.
  20. twofifty

    twofifty Well-Known Member

    I learned how-to from one of the guys in our R&G club. Two visits in this guy's man cave gave me a very very solid start, including the soot technique of figuring out seating depth. This was done using my own components. This fellow was generous with his components as well as his time: we loaded a few of his own bullets with some of his powder. Several other club members were also helpful answering questions and demystifying this that and the other.

    After two sessions, I knew what to look for in tools and purchased my own gear. It would have been rude not to take the plunge at this point - after all people have their own lives.

    Thanks Don. I know that when the opportunity arises, I too will help others. But I will not be taken advantage of.

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