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When do we use the 2nd Amendment

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by rm23, Jan 24, 2010.

  1. rm23

    rm23 New Member

    When do we use the 2nd Amendment? Do we wait until we are told to turn in our guns? Do we wait until someone tries to rewrite the Constitution? Or when we are forced to buy health care?

    When does government become tyranny? I'm not saying anything about today's progressive socialist type that controls the federal government and I'm not trying to be political with this. I just want to know what people think.
  2. PA Curmudgeon

    PA Curmudgeon New Member

    When you get angry enough, grab your rifle and run outside. If you're the only one there, it's not time yet. ;)

    ETA: I "use" the 2nd amendment every day when I open carry for protection.
  3. The_Pretender

    The_Pretender New Member

    The second amendment doesn't give the right to bear arms. It recognizes that we have this right and that it shall never be taken away.

    The beauty of it is, you don't need it until they try to take it away.
  4. Ohio Gun Guy

    Ohio Gun Guy New Member

    I like PA Crumugeon's answer.
  5. jakemccoy

    jakemccoy New Member

    We have had, and constantly have, plenty of opportunities to utilize the full extent of the Second Amendment. Some people exercise the Second Amendment as they see fit, even when their actions may violate a local law. Some of these people get into legal trouble for doing so.

    On the other hand, many other people sit around and analyze these Second Amendment cases to the point that they feel comfortable with their inaction. These people usually don't support the NRA or any other pro-gun organization, don't write letters to lawmakers, and do criticizing people who open carry, etc. It's these freeloaders who need to start carrying their own weight, or at the very least get the heck out of the way.
  6. Deus Machina

    Deus Machina Active Member

    That's about right. When they start taking what we have now, it may be time to make a point.

    PA Curmudgeon, I love that one. Mind if I sig it? :)
  7. PA Curmudgeon

    PA Curmudgeon New Member

    Deus Machina, be my guest. I'd love to take credit for it but the truth is I've seen it in other forums myself. I have no idea who first said it, but it generates a lot of comments, always in agreement!
  8. RebelRabbi

    RebelRabbi New Member

    The Second Ammendment protects the first, as long as you are free to complain, gather in groups to complain and pray however you wish about it, you don't need the 2A, YET.
  9. bdickens

    bdickens New Member

    I use it every day.
  10. Deus Machina

    Deus Machina Active Member

    Well, if anyone asks, I'll tell them where I heard it. I'd attribute it to you if you were the first.

    Personally, I thankfully think that 'the time' is still a little ways off. If things keep picking up as a lot of states are doing, it may never--at least not over this issue. If it goes like a lot of politicians want, it will still be a few decades at the least.

    People will take a lot before 'militia nutjobs' or 'insurgents' turn into 'a revolution'.
  11. Bliggida

    Bliggida New Member

    Having a retention holstered gun doesn't mean I use the gun everyday.
    Likewise, having the retained right of the 2nd amendment doesn't mean I use it everyday.

    That said, I feel its important to stress the idea that we have the optioned right to the 2nd amendment, and the actual use of it would be a catastrophic failure on many levels.

    I also have the right against unreasonable search and seizures. That doesn't mean that, everyday I find the first LEO I see and taunt him to inaction. As that would be unwise.
    Similarly, I have the right to free speech but that doesn't mean I stand outside the state/federal building yelling something risque whilst banging a pot and ladle.

    Point being, the right to do something, versus the exercised right to do something. One is invaluably more important than the other.
    The simple right will go infringed. When it all changes for the bad, the exercised right will subsequently be illegal, and it won't really matter then anyway.
  12. LemmyCaution

    LemmyCaution Member

    If you keep and/or bear arms on your person or in your home, you are exercising the 2a. There seems to be some confusion about what the 2a entitles one to do. Nowhere in the 2a is granted the right to overthrow a duly elected government, no matter how loudly Newscorp crows about its alleged 'socialism.' It is not the right of an angry, barely literate rabble to run amok over the unexamined hearsay spoonfed them by a group of billionaires who have a vested interest in making sure no one can work toward the common good (disclaimer: nowhere should the above be taken to imply that I believe that the Current Occupant is working for the common good. Rather, he's wholly owned by those same billionaires).
  13. shockwave

    shockwave New Member

    I got together with my neighbor yesterday. We discussed who is armed on the block (that we know of), and where dangers are most likely to occur.

  14. Prion

    Prion New Member

    Right on Lemmy!!!
  15. CoRoMo

    CoRoMo Active Member

    I own and carry everyday.

    Good question, but I'm forbidden from answering it.
    That's also something that this forum dissuades me from doing.
  16. huntsman

    huntsman Active Member

    "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, & as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical." - Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Paris, 30 January 1787[1]


    seems to me Jefferson understood how to "use" the 2nd amendment.
  17. wishin

    wishin New Member

    My sentiments exactly, I keep and bear!
  18. Arkansas Paul

    Arkansas Paul Active Member

    RebelRabbi, that's good stuff.
  19. danprkr

    danprkr New Member

    huntsman, thanks for saving the trouble of looking up that TJ quote.

    LemmyCaution - see huntsman's post for arguably the most influential Founding Father's views on the subject.
  20. shenandoah

    shenandoah New Member

    Good advice, PA Curmudgeon .....

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