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Where did the 7.62x25 Surplus Ammo Go?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by shotgunjoel, May 15, 2011.


Which path should I take?

Poll closed Jun 14, 2011.
  1. The supply will be back in a few weeks, calm down.

    27 vote(s)
  2. It's all gone, buy it while you can. Enjoy the Tokarev

    23 vote(s)
  3. Dude, it's all gone, don't even buy the gun now.

    15 vote(s)
  1. shotgunjoel

    shotgunjoel Well-Known Member

    I've been watching the Tokarev market (both pistols and ammunition) for the past few months with the plan to buy a pistol and at least one tin of surplus ammo come summer. Well I've seen pistols come and go at J&G's, AIM, and Dan's, but they just got them in at Classic Arms, and Widener's still has them. The part that is scaring me is the surplus ammo. A couple of months ago J&G had Polish 1260 round tins for $90 (that's almost 22lr prices!). Other places had it for anywhere from $110-$140, then within that last month, it has all disappeared, except for Classic, who is selling it for $162 a tin! That's coming up on double what J&G had it for 2 months ago. So is the supply drying up, or are we just in between imports? Be reconsidering a Tokarev at this point due to the loss of cheap ammo, or do you think that it will come back soon? The reason that I haven't bought the gun yet is because I just sent in my C&R application, so I'm waiting on that. Should I buy a case from Classic at $162 now before it vanishes, or will it be back everywhere in a month or so? I'm rather new to the surplus thing, does this happen a lot with ammo, the supply running out, then another big import shipment getting in? Sorry for having about 30 questions, thanks.
  2. jmace57

    jmace57 Well-Known Member

    Oh... I see 70 round boxes for $9.95, but with a quantity discount for over 11 boxes at $8.95 per box...
    Last edited: May 15, 2011
  3. Caliper_Mi

    Caliper_Mi Well-Known Member

    I only bought my Tokarev partly because of the cheap ammo, the other part is because I have ended up collecting Soviet Bloc firearms.

    Honestly, after shooting the Tok, it doesn't matter to me if surplus runs out. I'll keep shooting this thing! Not only does it have a nice single action trigger, but it is darn accurate and makes a nice big boom (for a pistol) at the range! Just fun to shoot. Midway even has brass, so I'll eventually get a set of dies and start reloading for it.
  4. woad_yurt

    woad_yurt Well-Known Member

    When I evaluate a possible purchase, I consider the current, not past, price. Toks are currently very affordable and 1200+ rounds of any centerfire ammo is still comparatively cheap at $160. This is a snooze-and-lose situation if ever there was one.
  5. Hondo 60

    Hondo 60 Well-Known Member

    J&G Sales said they don't anticipate getting any more surplus ammo.
    So I bought dies, once fired brass & a couple of boxes of boxer-primed ammo.

    It'd be great if we see prices like $5/70 rd box again, but I'm ready even if we don't.

    FIVETWOSEVEN Well-Known Member

    The answer is simple, downrange.
  7. jmace57

    jmace57 Well-Known Member

    I ordered 11 boxes yesterday from Classic - got a confirmation. Just received an email "updating the status" to OUT OF STOCK.
  8. shotgunjoel

    shotgunjoel Well-Known Member

    Well crap. That's the last that I've seen around. Let's all hope for another shipment. Anybody personally know importers that might deal in Tok ammo?
  9. Weevil

    Weevil Well-Known Member

    I hope it hasn't dried up, but it happens.

    Look at .303 Brit and the Enfield rifles. The were both dime a dozen a few years back. Lots of nice rifles for give away prices and .303 was everywhere for dirt cheap prices.

    But no new military weapons being used in this caliber so no new ammo and the surplus ammo has dried up.

    Now you're paying premium prices for .303 when you can find it that is.
  10. shotgunjoel

    shotgunjoel Well-Known Member

    Well so far the vote is split down the middle on whether We'll ever see surplus 7.62 Tok again. I'll wait and see, and hold off on the Tokarev purchase until both my C&R gets back, and ammo reappears.
  11. Clark

    Clark Well-Known Member

    I bought cases of Polish 7.62x25mm Tokarev ammo for 7 cents a shot in 15 years ago.

    That is just about what it is worth today, where as Gold has gone up 3X or 4X.

    And the Gold would have take up less floor space:(
  12. carbuncle

    carbuncle Well-Known Member

    Judging by the amount of brass I get as by-catch at the local indoor range, it's going downrange!
  13. xr1200

    xr1200 Well-Known Member

    I hate to say I told you so , but I did over 3 months ago. Surplus ammo would dry up and now these guns will become more expensive them 9mm to shoot.

    Soon there will be a lot of $250 paper weights.
  14. Fastcast

    Fastcast Well-Known Member

    :scrutiny: Ridicules!.....Commercial 7.62x25 cost no more than .45acp. With your rationale all the 1911's are paperweights also.

    For what it's worth, I've shot just as much commercial S&B through my CZ52 as surplus. Why, because I like the consistency and accuracy better. Not to mention it's not corrosive.

    My CZ won't become a paperweight because the surplus dries up. Anymore than it will because xr1200 predicted a surplus dry up but hated to say he told us so because he's so humble. lol

    You want to play, you gotta pay......Never went into the 7.62x25 game figuring I'd only ever shoot cheap surplus. ;)
  15. AethelstanAegen

    AethelstanAegen Well-Known Member

    The Prvi Partisan 7.62 Tok is WAY cheaper than .45acp. I have no doubts that even if I have to start shooting commercial ammo, my M57 will not be a paperweight. It's a nice little pistol so it'll still see use.
  16. xr1200

    xr1200 Well-Known Member

    Heres a link from slicks gun deals for how cheap 9mm is now and it will probably drop even more, or the next year or 2 . The problem with the 7.62 x 25 there isn't enough demand for it. Sure wolf, winchester and other companies will probably make it , but you won't see it cheaper them 9mm for new ammo.

    You can't compare 7.62 x 25 ammo prices to 45acp prices as the component prices are not the same, you have to use a round that has the closest weight components and 9mm is the best available for a price comparison.

    Sellier & Bellot 9mm 115gr. FMJ 2000 rnds $350 = $8.75 box , 1000 rnds $180= $9.00

    Winchester white box 7.62 x 25 is $23.17 a box
    Sellier & Bellot 7.62 x 25 is $15.97 a box
    Last edited: May 18, 2011
  17. Fastcast

    Fastcast Well-Known Member

    xr1200, this thread is about 7.62x25 not 9mm. :rolleyes:

    What part of we like the cartridge and pistols that fire 7.62x25 and don't give a damn about the difference between the price of it and/or the 9mm cookie cutter pistols that fire that round? :banghead:
  18. Weevil

    Weevil Well-Known Member

    9mm isn't a very fair comparison. The reason it's so cheap is because of it's wipespread use by the militaries of the world and police.

    .380 would be a better comparison.

    WWB box of 50 95gr FMJ $20.99 [Midway]

    Federal AE box of 50 95gr FMJ $16.79 [CTD]

    Compared to 9mm everything looks expensive.

    If all you're worried about is cheap ammo get a .22.

    Personally I like to shoot a variety of weapons and calibers even if they do cost a few more dollars than 9mm.
  19. xr1200

    xr1200 Well-Known Member

    The plain truth is a lot of the ppl that bought these pistols because of the cheap ammo will now either stop shooting them, sell it, or leave it in the safe due to the high cost of shooting it now.

    Also yugo 57 pistol is not really even accurate enough to make them an enjoyable range toy. My brother has one that misfires all the time and the point of impact is about 2 ft high and 4" to the left at 25 yrds. It will shoot a 4 inch group though, so if you can 't adjust the point of aim what good is it.

    Another friend locally bought one in unissued condition and I advised against it, when he brought over the gun to show me it the barrel was actually ground and fit to the bushing with a grinder and a file, this one at least doesn't misfire and groups about 4 inches at 20 yrds. and it will hit POA at 15 yrds. but at 20-25 yrds. it is way off and agian no way to adjust the sights expect for windage.

    So after taking into account how bad they shoot, price of ammo, and misfires.
    why would anyone really take one of these guns over a accurate sig 9mm, SW or used glock for around $300 , that will hit where you aim them everytime.

    With the high cost of the 7.62 ammo these distributors will be forced to sell of the rest of the m57 for $99 and they will become like the $99 7.62 russian revolver that no one wants to own or shoot anymore.

    Ppl. bought these guns mainly for the cheap ammo, so it must be compared to another most common and cheapest to shoot center fire pistol cartridge which is 9mm.

    You can not compare it to the cost of a .380 which is in short supply and very high demand right now, also 380 is not a commonly used as service pistol range cartridge.

    If you want to compare it use either the 9mm, or 38 special which are both very common for range practice and competition shooting.
    Last edited: May 18, 2011
  20. Weevil

    Weevil Well-Known Member

    Well I've got two Polish Toks and a CZ52.

    Nice accuracy out of the Poles and acceptable out of the CZ.

    Never had a misfire or problem of any sort from either of the Tokarevs.

    The CZ has a problem with the pins liking to walk out, especially the slide-stop pin, but no misfires.

    The Tokarevs are legendary for their reliability and it is one of the reasons so many different countries produced this pistol.

    Sounds like your brother got a lemon.

    As for running out of cheap ammo, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. I've got about 4K of it on hand.

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