Where is all of the .223

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Glockfan.45:

I have over 25,000 of ammo... I SWEAR to you, unless I die before my age would indicate...

I'll shoot it all.

Why should you have a problem about how I spend my $?
 
Easy...$$$$ Notice how demand is up, supply is down & prices are up???

I also noticed that the price of copper and brass are up, which will have a very real impact in the price of the final product. A good example is 9mm Luger. Last year, the UMC 250 round box was $29.99. Now, the same box is priced at $45.99. Their is plenty of it their, it just costs 50% more now.
 
Is the Cabela's ammo decent quality? I sure don't plan on using Wolf...

While we're on the subject - just what is 'the best' type of bullet for self-defense in .223? Soft point, hollow point, other?
 
You hit the nail on the head - supply and demand. There will be periods when ammo is in good supply and it will cost a pretty penny. Wait and see.
Look at gas prices and the oil company's profits. Follow the money.
 
I just keep wonderng -- even after a few years, why can't manufacturers ramp up ammo supply to catch up w/ demand?

Because building a new plant to manufacture ammunition (or greatly expanding an existing one) is a large sunk cost and when the war is over demand will sink dramatically (along with prices). Unless you think you can recover all of your costs before that happens or that the plant will continue to be profitable with much lower prices, then it doesn't make much sense to build a new plant in response to a temporary surge in demand.
 
Get a demoncratic president in the White House and we won't have to worry about the ammo supply because there will be none. They can't take your guns legally but what's to keep them from taking away the ammo?
I recently overheard some liberal soccer-mom types in the B&N coffee shop talking about ways to do just that. Kind of a backdoor method of gun control, but, an effective method nonetheless.
This is exactly the reason why we cannot let the dems get the WH. If we let it happen, the next four years after 2008 will be a running battle of pro-gun vs. anti's and they will have the upper hand. If they get hold of both houses AND the WH, it may get ugly here in the US of A.

I'm not saying this WILL happen, it's just a bigger possibility if the dems get their way. It's readily apparant that right now they are remembering the lesson from the mid-nineties when they lost control after enacting that AWB.
However, if they get control of both houses and the WH again, they might be emboldened to try it again and we don't need that! :banghead:
 
They can't take your guns legally but what's to keep them from taking away the ammo?

A few things.

First, the President does not have the power to ban ammo.

Second, ammo is protected by the 2nd Amendment.

Third, how quickly do you think the Congress would get voted out if they banned ammo?
 
No, but that never accounted for more than a small share of the market. The president cannot ban domestically produced ammo.

We'd be better off if more chinese products were banned, but that is a topic for another discussion.
 
First, the President does not have the power to ban ammo.

Second, ammo is protected by the 2nd Amendment.

Third, how quickly do you think the Congress would get voted out if they banned ammo?


If they get hold of both houses and the presidency, what is standing in their way to institute their belief system on all of us?

Now, granted, they got voted out after they enacted the AWB and there is a likelihood that'll happen again, but, look at how long we had to have that stone around our necks after they lost the majority.
 
The war in Iraq has nothing to do with ammo prices and availability. Check out the commodities market folks. Steel, tin, copper, lead, zinc are all out of sight due to demand from China and India.
 
Well standard troop load out is six mags in web gear plus one in the rifle, or 210 rounds
and my squad carries twice that per man! and there are many more out there that does the same. getting caught with your pants down isn't something you want to happen and no one ever wants it to happen to them twice, so we are sure we plan for the worst!
 
The war in Iraq has nothing to do with ammo prices and availability. Check out the commodities market folks. Steel, tin, copper, lead, zinc are all out of sight due to demand from China and India.

That is a very valid point. Copper prices are going so high right now we have a gang here stealing copper wire from local businesses. Who'da thunk that would ever have happened?
 
I'd lean towards the war. The commodities market wouldn't create a shortage so much as drive up prices (which it has - for all ammunition).
 
natchezss just got in Federal NATO .223 for $6.99 a box. I got 20. Teh bulk isn't in yet but it's $169 for 1,000. should be in, in the next 2 weeks 5/15.
 
First, the President does not have the power to ban ammo.

With control of the House and Senate, why would that make any difference? And since when has a Presidential decree not been considered binding by the governmental forces?

Second, ammo is protected by the 2nd Amendment.

I believe the 2nd only refers to "arms", not the ammunition it shoots. The gun grabbers interpret the 2nd to refer to "sporting arms", for the National Guard only (that's what the militia is, according to them), and various other perversities. This little fact could easily be manipulated to ban ammunition on the civilian market. Chances are they'd go for military caliber stuff first (.223, .308, then .30-06, slugs, 00 buck, etc.), then work on tight restrictions on "hunting caliber" stuff. Hunting would, of course, become illegal overnight in many states due to existing hunting restrictions (shotguns only, etc.), allowing for "reasonable" confiscation of said firearms.

Third, how quickly do you think the Congress would get voted out if they banned ammo?

That'd be an ideal time to declare martial law, suspending elections, wouldn't you think? Right before an election which would oust their party from power, and about 2 years or so after ammo has been banned, allowing much of the existing civilian supply to be expended - how convenient! Of course, the fact that ammo has been banned would likely provoke warfare and strong opposition to the government prior to the election, providing them with the excuse needed for martial law declaration.

Besides, they wouldn't even really need to ban ammo. That's one way to go about it, but they could also increase the government contracts for ammo while allowing/requiring ATK to produce military ammo at all their facilities. Bam, large apolitical, transnational corporation stops producing civilian ammo for the preference of the military contract, all that ammo gets warehoused or sold/given to "needy fledging countries" or what have you, and the US now has no ammo supply aside from what the small-time producers can make. This, in conjunction with banning Wolf/imported ammo (which is likely to happen sooner than later anyway, given Russia's current political stance against the USA.

Just because it's seemingly won't happen, does not mean that the will and the means to make it happen are not there.
 
After I build my AR, I plan on reloading.

Better plan on more disappointment then. Components are getting as scarce, and expensive.

When everyone rushes to reloading, what do you think happens to the supply of reloading components? They go down too, and prices up.
 
Before the ban most ammo plants were probally at 80 to 90 % capacity. Then 2 things happened Iraq/Afganistan and the Dems taking over congress. So first the military needed more so anyone who loaded for the military focused more resources on their orders. Second, people are running around like mad saying "I need to buy all the ammo I can before Hillary-o-tron takes over and bans everything." So when ever .223 or 5.56 pops up they buy 100 cases. This same thing happend with 7.62x39. Everyone panic bought and you could never find it. Now you can find it again.

So in summation: Pre-Iraq war levels of production did not have much room for growth meaning increased use by army lowers supply to civ market. Fear of Hillary-o-tron mean panic buy. Panic buy means hard to find ammo.
 
The war in Iraq has nothing to do with ammo prices and availability. Check out the commodities market folks. Steel, tin, copper, lead, zinc are all out of sight due to demand from China and India.

Not only that, but look at inflation and the currency exchange rates. No one
wants dollars overseas. This means it takes more dollars to buy the same
amount of stuff. The average American has no idea how or why this happens.

I was buying plenty of surplus LC ammo just a year ago that would have been
considered cheap now. Those brass cases will come in handy for reloading.

My cr@ppy 1999 ADCOM 5.56 that was blowing primers is now more than worth
its weight in 62g steel cores and powder alone. From crisis comes opportunity.....
 
"natchezss just got in Federal NATO .223 for $6.99 a box. I got 20. Teh bulk isn't in yet but it's $169 for 1,000. should be in, in the next 2 weeks 5/15."

Do you have info that it is going to go for that price? With the drought on the market right now, I would say it would be upwards of $250 for a thousand.
 
The production lines are for ammo-they'll use the same machines for .223, then .22-250. They just switch some parts, recalibrate, and run the ammo. So the switch from making .223 to 5.56 NATO is pretty easy. they may not use identical cases, but the cases are made on the same lines, bullets too.

After Beelzabubba Klinton shut down all but one Army Ammunition Plant the private sector had to take up the slack.....and the Army has ben using Israeli ammo for quite a while. I qualified with TZZ headstamped .45 ammo in 1990.
 
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