Where is all the ammo?

[Ignition Override]

wideym:
A few days ago there were thirty pages of .22LR on Gunbroker.
There now are thirty two pages.

About a third of the items on the first two pages still have 0 bids (closing within about 24 hours), other than the seller's bid.
From what you witnessed with sellers bringing .22 bricks into your shop, private sales might not be going so well right now.

 

[Boxhead]

In my garage.

 

[Davek1977]

offcenter said:

I get really tired of hearing about this "new" problem when I have been working my weekend shooting around the shortage for 5 years.

Well, in that case, it does seem like a localized issue. Other than than the expected rush after each of BO's elections and then the Sandy Hook incident, obtaining ammo in the calibers you described was not at all difficult fpr many of us. If it was different for you locally, why not shop online, and likely save some money? I KNOW for a FACT that ammo of various types in each of the calibers you mentioned have been available online in great and vast abundance over the last five years. Sometimes, you have to forgo the LGS, and take your money to the internet. If you haven't been able to get ammo in the last five YEARS (months, I could almost understand) its NO ONE's fault but your own. The ammo was there previously, you just apparently didn't look for it, and now you're feeling the results of that choice.

Bushmaster said:

That's $12 for a box of 20 that should cost no more than $7

Maybe so, but thats about a 40% improvement over the $1 a round it was commanding many places only days ago. While I expect prices to drop to realistic levels at some point, I think its nothing more than a dream to expect prices to drop to "pre-Obama" levels completely. You might want to hold on to that "$7 a box ammo" because I'm not sure they're making such a thing anymore

 

[Comrade Mike]

offcenter said: Well, in that case, it does seem like a localized issue. Other than than the expected rush after each of BO's elections and then the Sandy Hook incident, obtaining ammo in the calibers you described was not at all difficult fpr many of us. If it was different for you locally, why not shop online, and likely save some money? I KNOW for a FACT that ammo of various types in each of the calibers you mentioned have been available online in great and vast abundance over the last five years. Sometimes, you have to forgo the LGS, and take your money to the internet. If you haven't been able to get ammo in the last five YEARS (months, I could almost understand) its NO ONE's fault but your own. The ammo was there previously, you just apparently didn't look for it, and now you're feeling the results of that choice.

Bushmaster said:
Maybe so, but thats about a 40% improvement over the $1 a round it was commanding many places only days ago. While I expect prices to drop to realistic levels at some point, I think its nothing more than a dream to expect prices to drop to "pre-Obama" levels completely. You might want to hold on to that "$7 a box ammo" because I'm not sure they're making such a thing anymore

I don't see it as unreasonable to see 5 dollar boxes of federal and WWB .223 again as long as there's nothing more to fuel the panics. Prices have to dip back down again when suppliers inevitably over produce to fill a shrinking demand.

 

[feedthehogs]

Loser in chief could very well use eo to ban imports including ammo.
Whether it will happen or not is a betting mans game. He seems to be back focused on his health care right now but who knows.

As an instructor who deals exclusively with the top 5% of wage earners I can tell you they have had no problem buying .223 or any caliber ammo at 2 bucks a round. When you have extreme disposable income, prices very rarely enter into it.

Had dinner last night with a client who's wife found 6 new gun safes in one of their climate controlled garages. They were full of about 50 to 60k of ammo. She flipped but them calmed down when he showed her what he paid for it and what its worth now.

She commented thats a better return than what many of their investments were doing and went away smiling. We had a good chuckle.

 

[45_auto]

As an instructor who deals exclusively with the top 5% of wage earners

You really find people willing to show you proof of income before you'll give them instruction, and you turn down anyone who makes less than $160,000?

For some reason an old quote concerning "fools and their money" comes to mind .....

 

[Queen_of_Thunder]

This mess went full bore in mid December. Here it is just days aeay from the month of May and things have gotten only worse. The manufactures say they are running at full capacity but distributors say they are not getting ammo. So where is the ammo going?

As we enter the 5th month of this mess I'm questioning the supply and demand answer. I'm begining to wonder if this isn't an artifically generated shortage? At least in some manner.

 

[Comrade Mike]

It's also never been THIS bad before. With the last Obama panic ammo was scarce but it was at least still on shelves. This is the worst panic we've seen in the 2000's so it's definitely going to take longer.

 

[12many]

So I showed up at 6am and waited 2 hours for the store to open. Was worth the wait.

Bulk 1,000round boxes of UMC 9mm for $239.99. I bought.

Winchester M-22 1,000 rounds for $45.99. I bought.

Winchester 100 rd value pack of 230gr ACP $45.99

Monarch 45acp 230 grain $18.99

Nato 124gr 9mm 50 rd box for $15.99

Queen of Thunder, you posted on April 15 that you scored and got 2,000 rounds at great prices and there was other ammo on the shelves at good prices. Yes, you had to wait, but sound like you did ok. Is it getting better or worse?

 

[Potatohead]

ive been shooting 3 or 4 mos for the first time ever...and ive been gobbling up ammo like theirs no tmrw..3 guns and 3500 rds so far...i know theres a bunch of me's out there to because when i was buying my first one (AR15), half of the people in there were a me...first time gun buyers in a bit of a panic.

 

[hang fire]

Where is all the ammo?

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I just finished an article in the May 6th edition of Gun Digest entitled "Where Is All The Ammo?". They conclude after many industry interviews that it will be at least 1 and perhaps 2 years before things begin to improve on dealer shelves. Especially for .223/5.56, 9mm and AR platform guns. I speculate that things will be even worse in gun hostile states like California and New York. Best learn to buy on the internet while it's still legal, me thinketh.

If you read that article you will see that the manufacturers interviewed state that they have increased their production and are still shipping that extra ammo to all the distribution guys as fast as they can make it. You black helicopter/conspiracy dudes better take a deep breath...(sorry)
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Gary


With you residing in all restrictive Cali, you had best get a large O2 container to take your deep breath from.

 

[offcenter]

Well, I still didn't bother to go out of my way. I could pick up one or two boxes every month if I went to WalMart twice or more a week. I would just rotate through the different calibers as they were available and that way I could still shoot. I did not start ordering online and paying premiums until this fall.

 

[Davek1977]

I guess I don't understand...for five years, you've noticed local outlets with "vast holes in their inventory"......and it took you til last fall to consider other possibilities? What is it they say...a failure to plan is a plan for failure? I don't meant to be harsh, but if I started to realize I couldn't get what I wanted locally.....I'd look elsewhere instead of just "making do" for 4.5 years, and then being shocked I suddenly couldn't find "any" ammo.

 

[Ignition Override]

Davek1977:
With the string of massacres which began in Tucson, if not Virginia Tech, some of were concerned that it was only a matter of time until the truly unthinkable could happen.
Few people out there could do anything about the nuts at large-unless a relative or a friend-but we knew about the predictable reactions which can't ever be doubted.

 

[Davek1977]

Ignition Overdrive, maybe its this early hour, but I have NO IDEA what you are saying in the above post. Are you simply agreeing with me that there were warning signs of this sort of thing happening (shortages)? Please clarify...I'm not trying to be insulting, I truly don't understand the jist of what you are trying to say.

 

[Queen_of_Thunder]

I guess I don't understand...for five years, you've noticed local outlets with "vast holes in their inventory"......and it took you til last fall to consider other possibilities? What is it they say...a failure to plan is a plan for failure? I don't meant to be harsh, but if I started to realize I couldn't get what I wanted locally.....I'd look elsewhere instead of just "making do" for 4.5 years, and then being shocked I suddenly couldn't find "any" ammo.

I never saw this. Never had a problem securing the ammo I needed until this crises. I ran through 2 cases a month in 9mm alone yet I never had a problem with buying it. Go online,place the order and a few days later the UPS guy is knocking on my door with my ammo order. Everything was available. No hole in inventory. Finding and buying something like 9x18 ultra was easy. Now I can't find it anywhere.

 

[Crash_Test_Dhimmi]

Obama can executive order (or under the radar it) the health and human services (Kathleen Sebelius) to declare that owning weapons is a sign of a serious and violent mental health disorder that would flag all gun owners in NICS. Are you a veteran? oh there is a disease for that one too!

 

[Al Thompson]

Looks like this one is done.