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Which is a better rifle?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by sprice, Jul 15, 2010.


Please read the OP, then choose

  1. Browning bar

    7 vote(s)
  2. Winchester model 70

    57 vote(s)
  1. sprice

    sprice Well-Known Member

    Between a browning bar and a Winchester model 70, for big game hunting, up to around 600 yards. With high quality glass and ideal conditions of course.

    Longer the range the smaller the animal (antelope and coyotes).

    Ok, what is the approximate moa capability on each of these guns?

    I can't shoot that well yet but I want to work up to it; and I guess that makes 600 yards the range for hitting plates so if it can do that with 3 shots it'd be fine. This is all theoretical (probably spelled wrong) but it just sounded fun.
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2010
  2. ArtP

    ArtP Well-Known Member

    I think the question you're asking is which do you prefer, a semi-auto or a bolt action. I think it's hands down a bolt for presicion work at distance - but that's just me.

    Othe than that, both companies make a fine product.
  3. sprice

    sprice Well-Known Member

    How does the bars accuracy hold up?
  4. Float Pilot

    Float Pilot Well-Known Member

    1. Big game hunting past 300 yards is pushing your luck and boarders on being un-sportman like. The exception being mountain goats and Dall sheep. You can't get in an accurate follow-up shot for wounded game at that range.

    2. The BARs are pretty accurate for a semi-auto. In fact the old Belgium made BARs were a thing of beauty.

    3. A bolt action generally has an accuracy and reliability edge. The M-70s with controlled feed are very reliable and the safety locks the firing pin in place. But they are not generally the most accurate of bolt action rifles.
  5. Abel

    Abel Well-Known Member

    600 yards?
  6. sprice

    sprice Well-Known Member

    For coyotes? Yes.
  7. DeepSouth

    DeepSouth Well-Known Member

    I think you'd have a very hard time hitting a yote at 600 yards (even 400) with a bar, but I haven't had a lot of experience with them.

    I vote Model 70

    Actually I'd vote Rem 700 but that wasn't an option.
  8. PT1911

    PT1911 Well-Known Member

    I vote for the bolt... I would always vote for the bolt in such a "dilemma."
  9. praharin

    praharin Well-Known Member

    600 yards for 'yotes? I'd be looking at a 6.5 or 6.8 AR15. You will get the accuracy out of it easier/cheaper than the BAR.

    I'm not trying to be argumentative. Either of those would make fine rifles. But, coyotes are fairly small, and don't need too much punch to put them down.
    Last edited: Jul 15, 2010
  10. blackops

    blackops Well-Known Member

    Irrelevant. 1 yd or 1 thousand. Win M70 everyday.
  11. C-grunt

    C-grunt Well-Known Member

    I dont have much experience with the BAR but bolt actions are known for accuracy.
  12. LeverGunJunkie

    LeverGunJunkie Well-Known Member

    I think you need to look at 2 different guns for 2 different purposes.

    My buddy has a new MDL 70 in 300 WM and he shoots sub 1/2" 3 shot groups @ 100. 5 shot groups are sub MOA with 168gr reloads and a custom trigger. Based on that, I'd say go with the MDL 70 and I think you'd be happier.

    Another friend has a BAR in 300 WM. Loves it, and it is a great deer rifle. Shoots right around MOA with his. Just not sure this meets your standard for a 600m Yote rifle :rolleyes:.

    My real answer is a MDL 70 in 22-250 or 204 Ruger for Yotes, and a BAR in 308 or 30-06 for deer.
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2010
  13. Dustin

    Dustin Active Member

    I dont have a bar but my browning abolt 7mm remington mag shoots 3/4" groupings at 100 yards. if that helps you out at all.
  14. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    Not many folks--as a percentage of all shooters--have any business trying to hit critters out beyond 300 yards, IMO. By the time somebody has the skill to do that, he's already figured out what rifle he'd buy--or keep on using.

    So, odds are, the choice is six of one, half-dozen of the other.
  15. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Neither of those calibers is a 600 yard coyote gun.

    Bullet performance is out the window much past 500 with the 22-250, and probably less then that with the 204.

    Most 22-250 rifles come with 1/14 rifling which makes light bullets your only option. And they just plain run out of velocity for explosive performance at 500+ yards.

  16. LeverGunJunkie

    LeverGunJunkie Well-Known Member

    Roger...I agree. Read my post that you quoted. I didn't say they would work as a 600 yrd yote gun, I just said they would be choice yote gun caliber.
  17. 375shooter

    375shooter Well-Known Member

    For extreme range, the M70 would be the way to go, IMO. A .25-06 Rem, .270 Win or .270 WSM should be a good choice for long range antelope and 600 yard coyotes (if you can hit them that far away).
  18. rodensouth

    rodensouth Well-Known Member

    I have owned a BAR, and they would not be my choice for a precision long range rifle.
  19. Girodin

    Girodin Well-Known Member

    That pretty much hits the nail square on the head.
  20. browningguy

    browningguy Well-Known Member

    I have BAR's in 30-06 and .270, they are both 1.25-1.5 MOA rifles most of the time, I would never consider shooting at anything ith them at 600 yards.

    For long range varminting I shoot a Savage 12FV in .243.

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