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Which is better, CZ-PCR, CZ-PO1 or CZ-75 Compact?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by albanian, Nov 7, 2004.

  1. albanian

    albanian member

    Which is the most confortable and lightest of these? Which makes the best CCW? I think I picked up a CZ-PCR and I found it was nice, not sure about the other two.

    Can someone post pics of the three pistols to compare?
  2. Marshall

    Marshall Well-Known Member

    Here's a decent thread from TFL. You can also go to Hakans site and see some good PICS!

    CZ PCR thread
  3. Mulliga

    Mulliga Well-Known Member

    Lightest will be the alloy-framed pistols, PCR and PO1. They are pretty similar to each other - I'd jump on a good deal on either.

    The CZ-75 Compact is only slightly smaller and slightly lighter than a regular CZ-75B in comparison. Having carried the full size CZ-75B around the house, I recommend the alloy-framed pistols :) - YMMV, though.
  4. TomN

    TomN Well-Known Member

    If you want an alloy framed pistol, go with either the PCR or P-01. If you want rails go with the P-01. If not then the PCR.

    Also something to consider is that that P-01 has passed the NATO testing and is now approved. You can learn more here: http://www.cz-usa.com/press.releases.php?msgid=37
  5. HD

    HD member

    impressed enough to buy a PO1 9mm for myself , and i DON"T like the 9mm cartridge!

    Return to the previous list
    CZ P-01 gets NATO approval. The next Generation of perfect pistols
    2003-02-01 09:24:31

    The P-01 is now a NATO classified pistol and issued the NATO stock number NSN 1005-16-000-8619.

    The CZ P-01 is the culmination of several years of exhaustive design and testing. Ceska Zbrojovka has always had some of the most rigorous testing requirements in the world but, the Czech National police has required that they go even further, the testing regiment for this new pistol was the most demanding anyone has ever encountered. There are almost 20 specific requirements covering everything from accuracy to interchangability, from safety to reliability/durability and everything in between.

    The pistol: The CZ P-01 is a Gen 3 pistol that began as a requirement for a lightweight compact pistol that will deliver the accuracy and durability of a full size, full weight pistol. This was no small task, several manufacturers declined to even start the project.

    The first thing you notice about this pistol is the M3 light rail on the frame, a first for CZ, the alloy frame is a little wider at the top than a steel CZ 75. This adds strength and rigidity for mounting the light and increasing the accuracy and service life of the pistol. The P-01 also sports enhanced controls as well as a drop free magazine and a lanyard loop.

    The pistol was required to pass a wide variety of tests:

    The police required that the pistol ensure the highest level of comfort, an extended slide release was added as well as an extended magazine release and the trigger was reshaped to give a more consistent pull throughout the trigger stroke.

    The pistol must be 100% reliable in extreme conditions, the following is a list of some of the minimum requirements.

    Must be able to complete the following without failure:

    4000 dry firings
    3000 De-cockings
    Operator level disassembly 1350 times with out ware or damage to components.
    Complete disassembly 150 times, this is all the way down, pins, springs etc.
    100% interchangability, any number of pistols randomly selected, disassembled, parts mixed and reassembled with no failures of any kind including loss of accuracy.

    Safety requirements:

    Drop test
    1.5 meter (4.9â€) drop test, this is done 54 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked. Dropping the pistol on the butt, the muzzle, back of the slide, sides of the gun, top of the slide, in essence, any angle that you could drop the gun from. This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

    3meter drop (9.8â€) 5 times with the pistol loaded (blank) and the hammer cocked, This is done on concrete and 0 failures are allowed! A failure is the gun firing.

    After these tests are complete the gun must fire without service.

    The factory contracted an independent lab to do additional testing on guns that previously passed the drop tests. These pistol were dropped an additional 352 times without failure.

    The pistol must also complete an environmental conditions test:
    This means cold, heat, dust/sand and mud.
    The pistol must fire after being frozen for 24 hours at –35C (-36F).
    The pistol must fire after being heated for 24 hours at 70C (126F)
    The pistol must fire after being submerged in mud, sand and combinations including being stripped of oil then completing the sand and mud tests again.

    Service life:
    The service life requirement from the Czech police was 15,000 rounds of +P ammo!
    The pistol will exceed 30,000 rounds with ball 9mm.

    The reliability requirements for the P-01 pistol are 99.8%, that’s a .2% failure rate.
    This equals 20 stoppages in 10,000 rounds or 500 “Mean Rounds Between Failure†(MRBF)
    During testing, the average number of stoppages was only 7 per 15,000 rounds fired, this is a .05% failure rate, a MRBF rate of 2142 rounds! Over 4 time the minimum acceptable requirement.
    The U.S. Army MRBF requirement is 495 rounds for 9mm pistols with 115 grain Ball ammunition.

    The P-01 is based on the CZ 75, the most used pistol in the world. Over 60 countries use it as the standard side arm of their Armies, National police forces, National security agencies or other Law enforcement organizations. No other pistol can make this claim.
  6. Walt Sherrill

    Walt Sherrill Well-Known Member

    It may boil down to two features: weight and decocker.

    The PCR and the P-01 are both alloy-framed guns, and slightly lighter. Both are made with decockers, so you can't carry "cocked and locked."

    The Compact is essentially the same gun with a steel frame, and no decocker, so you CAN do "cocked and locked" -- my preference. (I have a Compact and several other CZs and "clones.")

    If you want the light rail, do the P-01. Holsters will be a little harder to find. If you want cocked and locked, do the Compact.

    It was noted, above, that the 75 Compact is only slightly smaller than the full-size 75B. True, but its the same size as the P-01 and PCR (although the P-01 has a wide frame at the front.)
  7. Black Snowman

    Black Snowman Well-Known Member

    I prefer cocked and locked and .40 S&W so the alloy frames were out for me except for the RAMI. It is a little hard to hold for some people but I do well with it. While I was at the store picking it up they had the 85 Compact in stock so I ended up getting one of those on credit because I didn't know how long they'd be around. It's heavy but the extra nose weight makes it shoot like a full size 9mm.

    I may still get a PCR for a lighter and slightly slimmer carry gun even though it won't do C&L but when I can't / don't carry the 85 Compact I'll probably have the RAMI on me. FYI Two full size mags ballance the weight of a RAMI about perfectly.

    Now, if we can just get that CCW legislation passed this go-around :banghead:
  8. clipse

    clipse Well-Known Member

    I would love to see CZ come out with a alloy gun with a manual safety.

  9. NMshooter

    NMshooter Well-Known Member

    CZ-75 compact. :D
  10. Litlman

    Litlman Well-Known Member

    75 compact

    I don't have it long but, I like it. When cash permits I will get a good rig for it and some night sights. Good Luck.
  11. stormspotter

    stormspotter Well-Known Member

    Which is better P-01, PCR or Compact

    I purchased have owned all three and I now only have the Compact. I like the weight in my hand and not higher up in the slide area. I get back on target faster with the Compact, and it shoots Win 127 gr +P+ into 1 1/4 inch groups at 12 yards off hand. It has been converted to single action, bought it on the high road, and it fits right in with my 1911's. It has also been graced with a set of Hakans.

    Just my two cents worth.

  12. PCRCCW

    PCRCCW Well-Known Member

    Ive had 3 Compact, 3 PCRs and a PO1/PCR Hybrid.........all are worthy.
    In all honesty they are all quite similar. It seriously just depends on what you want in the features...........
    The Compact can be carried Cond 1 and is the heaviest.....its has no CCW friendly bells and whistles.......
    The PCR is the same size as the Compact and has a narrower muzzle/frame than the PO1, so its better to carry IWB.....Its also has more CCW friendly features.....frame serrations, double slide serrations, ext. mag release, bevelled mag well etc..........all stock from the factory.
    The PO1 is just the same gun (Ya, I know about all of the testing, NATO bla bla bla) with minor improvements and a light dihickey.......
    The thicker muzzle makes it a little less IWB friendly..............
    From there......just get the one that works for you..........
    Shoot well..................
  13. rbernie

    rbernie Well-Known Member

    According to Mike @ CZ, he can convert a PCR to manual safety for about $300.
  14. Craig M. Arnold

    Craig M. Arnold Well-Known Member

    CZ Pistols

    I own a bunch of CZ pistols and I like them all. I carry either a PCR or a RAMI (9MM). The PCR is my favorite over all carry gun.

    Here is a picture of some of my compact and sub-compact CZs to compare size. The top row from left to right is an 83 in 380acp and a 75B Compact. The second row is two RAMIs, both cambered in 9MM. The third row is two P01s and the bottom row is two PCRs.

    Best regards.

  15. Dave Williams

    Dave Williams Well-Known Member

    I've shot the P01 and it's a great gun. I think the NATO testing is a great selling point for them.

    Dave Williams
  16. Maxer51tx

    Maxer51tx Active Member

    As you can tell from the replies so far, none of the three is really superior to the other two. But...

    If you want C&L, the Compact is the only option.

    If you want a light rail, the PO1 is the only choice.

    If you must have light weight, then it'll have be PO1 or PCR.

    I ended up buying a PO1 and am happy with it. No, I didn't need a light rail. I bought the PO1 because I think it looks better than the PCR. Concerning some of the other commnets about it: it carries just fine. The rail is not a significant impediment. Several companies make holsters for it, so that's not a problem either.
  17. dairycreek

    dairycreek Well-Known Member

    Which is the best?

    I actually own several CZ's with the P-01 being my favorite. All are excellent guns but the point made about the NATO testing sold me on the P-01. It is a very rugged, reliable pistol. Good shooting;)
  18. 1911 TERRY

    1911 TERRY Well-Known Member

    I'd wait till the SP-01 comes out. I've heard it will be available in .40 and 9mm. With a safety for cocked and locked or with decocker. can't wait.
  19. VG

    VG Well-Known Member

    Another question - why would anyone buy one of these over a S&W 3913?
  20. nonquixote

    nonquixote Well-Known Member

    Ummm, because they look better? Because they prefer the CZs lower bore axis, frame mounted safety and grip ergonomics? Why does anyone prefer one thing over another?


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