Which of these can lay down the most firepower

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Well, I'm seeing at least 2 other vets posting on this thread about how aiming beats supressing fire...

but hey, what do soldiers know about battle
 
The original question should be listed with "What if Sparatcus had a Piper Cub".

What if Odysseus had a good lawyer?

What if Menelaus had tactical nukes?

What if zombie bear cavalry attacks? Can I still rack my Glock one-handed? Will I be ranked as a "Mall Shogun"?
 
There's a reason urban combat is dominated by Scout/Sniper teams. Find some good first-hand accounts of the battle of Al Fallujah, I think that shows quite clearly how precision rifle fire beats volume fire in any scenario. There's a reason Marines qualify with their M16's at 500yds. There is also a reason TV is not a good sounding board for reality...Santa Clause isn't real, and TV isn't either, sorry bud.

Let me put it this way: in a combat situation, if you are not putting rounds on target, you are combat ineffective. There is a time for covering and suppressing fire, yes, but when you get right down to it, the only rounds that matter are the ones that drop the tango.
 
There is a time for covering and suppressing fire, yes, but when you get right down to it, the only rounds that matter are the ones that drop the tango.

The ones that distract the bad guy while I get across the street or whatever are pretty important to my thinking as well . . .
 
The ones that distract the bad guy while I get across the street or whatever are pretty important to my thinking as well . . .

Those would be the ones that were aimed at him, but missed, because I am no target shooter when in situations like that. However I'm still aiming at killing him (pun intended) I just haven't quite gotten there yet.
 
You in Canada? M1 Rifles are exempt, by name, from our silly mag capacity rules. They don't use stripper clips either. Lee-Enfields, also exempt by name, can use mag chargers.
There are 5 round M1 clips made for places that insist upon 5 rounds only for hunting though. They're not exactly inexpensive at $5.80US each from Gunparts.
"...grunts who just put their AK on rock and roll and shoot in the general direction of the enemy..." Most shots will miss. Nothing beats aimed rifle fire except a tank's main gun. The PBR of a tank's main gun is 1,000 yards.
"...suppressive fire..." Doesn't have to hit anything. It's to keep the BG's from shooting while the PBI types move to where their aimed rifle fire will be more effective.
"...drop the tango..." A 'tango' is a tank in NATO radio parlance.
"...ate up with stupid..." Ate up with TV/movie daftness, for sure. Kind of humourous though.
 
The ones that distract the bad guy while I get across the street or whatever are pretty important to my thinking as well . . .

Damnit HorseSoldier, stop confusing people with your rational thinking!

On a mechanical basis, the M1 Garand is statistically "better" in the role considered by the OP's question. Reload speed is going to be the primary criteria differentiating each rifle, and of the options available an en-bloc clip is by far the fastest method.
 
As I was taught in basic, the US maintains it superiority on the battle field by having superior fire power. We attain superior fire power with sustained, rapid, accurate fire. We train to acquire a 300m target and drop it in less than 8 seconds.

Suppressive fire is still trying to put a person down. The only time fire isn't aimed (coming from a former SAW gunner, which is a belt fed fully auto only weapon) is grazing fire. Grazing fire is approximately 24-30 inches off the ground and continuous. It's purpose is to stop a charge, not to keep heads down. We were even trained to use aimed fire when doing bounding over watch when responding to ambushes (basic training, we were told to drive through an ambush while firing at aggressors when I went to Iraq <we were signal, not the real fighters>).
 
Suppressive fire is still aimed fire. Its no good if I just start layin lead down at the pretty clouds up above me. It suppresses the enemy by making him think he will die if he moves, and hopefully a few rounds will hit him in the process.

I was a SAW gunner in '03 and a humvee gunner/DMR in 05, I have layed down some suppression fire a time or two before.

In one battle in 05 my platoon got pinned down in a hostile town by enemy fire from an unknown location. My team leader and I were outside the town on a small hill in an overwatch position. He had a M4/203 and I had my M16 DMR. We fixed the location of the insurgents and opened fire with aimed accurate fire at a range of, map measured, 400ish meters. They never knew where we were but the aimed fire, approximately 20 rounds between the two of us, caused them to break contact. No one in our platoon was hurt.

The insurgent group didnt break contact because we laid down the most "firepower" or sprayed the most rounds their way. They took off because they were taking casualties and rounds on their position.
 
OP - notice how almost everyone here (especially the ex/former military) mention aimed fire or accurate fire or a combination of them. The US has one of the best trained fighting forces on the planet, and you can see where they emphasize their training.

C - I am having trouble determining whether you are attempting to disagree with me or not on the suppressive fire so let me be clear..... I agree with you on this matter. You said it better than I did, but that is what I was trying to say.
 
Ok I stand corrected on the aim fire/wall of lead approach to combat.

So which of the rifles should i get? Sounds like I shouldget garand.

Why would anyone get the mini when garand is the same money. I'm in bloombergs commie utopia. I don't think I can have a garand anyway despite cheaper than dirt sells 5 buck - 5 round clips for it. That's cheap in my view considering mags are a lot more. I think I'll trade my sks in for the mini when I get my permit/move there. (got a great deal on an apt only 20 min from job ) An sks pinned to 5 doesn't sound too appealing. I guess I'll have to find time to practice with whatever rifle sounds like all are good rifles if you can aim good and reload quick.
 
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The sks doesn't take but a split second to load. Neither does the Garand. Any gun with a box mag will be very easy to reload quickly as well... it just takes practice. The BAR is a nice weapon, and so is a lever action. Personally, I prefer a box magazine (and I own an SKS and a Garand as well as a rifle that takes box mags) over the enbloc of the Garand and the internal mag of the SKS.

The sks can be topped off, and so can the garand (it just takes 2.5 hands to do). The garand, if you eject the clip early, will toss your rounds all over the place. Same with the sks when unloading. Lever actions require you to put every round through the chamber before you unload. Box magazines allow you to keep your rounds together, in a usable state, while removing them quickly without running them through the chamber.

The mini I could go get right now... a Garand I would have to wait for CMP to ship one to me. There are requirements to be able to buy one from the CMP and the Garand costs 2-300 more locally than a mini. Ammo considerations are more for a garand than a mini. The mini uses a more readily available ammo (either the 14 or the 30). The garand weighs more, and is harder to put a scope on (which many people want on their rifles for some odd reason). The mini, with a bit of work like bedding the action and putting a re-enforcement for the barrel can shoot almost as well as a garand in good condition. Surplus ammo is getting harder to come by though and unless you reload, garand safe ammo is EXPENSIVE. That enough reason for getting a mini vs a garand?
 
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I had a response all typed up, listing most of the ways in which the OP's logic was flawed, but my computer inneptitude caught up with me and I accidentally hit 'cut' not 'copy.' So now you will have to do without all of those wonderful examples, and just heed this: You couldn't be farther from the truth...less TV, more reality...please.

Shadow - when you hit cut, you can still paste the text you selected. Cut copies the data into the clipboard and then deletes it off the screen. Copy just copies the data to the clipboard. Just to save you a little bit of frustration later:)
 
scythefwd... I was not trying to disagree with you at all. Matter of fact I agree with you 100 percent from that post.

Us SAW gunners gotta stick together!! LOL
 
Ok I stand corrected on the aim fire/wall of lead approach to combat.

Wall of lead has a very good use in combat....as long as it is a well aimed wall of lead. I know a guy that could burn through 30 rounds full auto on a saw and keep it in a man sized silhouette. I was never that good. I could hit 96/105 at the range though on popups out to 400y.
 
i think the mini-14 is faster to reload cuz it never jams while trying to reload it.

Oh totally. Jamming while reloading...big problem with the other rifles mentioned.
 
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