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which survival rifle

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by chipp, Jul 4, 2006.

  1. chipp

    chipp Well-Known Member

    Hi All. Recently the gun god has let me know its time to buy a semi auto . I'm pulling my hair out as to which to buy.
    I want some thing small and light with some range if thats possible. Not crazy about .223 and 30 06 is too much kick.
    Aks are a little too clunky for me although i like the round.
    upon reading sugestions in threads, I liked the kel tecs and c 4 storm. I'm afraid that the 9mm won't have any range. My favorite by looks is the bushmaster m175 bull pup. I'm not familiar with 5.56mm. I know this is alot.
    Would appreciate any help.
    I preferr my shotgun for HD
  2. TMM

    TMM Well-Known Member

    firstly .223 is the same as 5.56NATO.[well, there are infantesimal differences but it's basically the same thing]

    i'd suggest .308, perhaps in a FAL, M1A, CETME, G3, or PTR-91.

    if you like 7.62commie but not the AK, perhaps you'd like a Ruger Mini-30, although i heard there's kinda crappy, bad accuracy, etc. so in that case you can use an SKS, though they load with stripper clips, then again they don't take that much longer to load, IIRC.

    9mm in a carbine for a good fun gun but IMO not much more.

    It really depends on what you want it for. judging by your title you want an SHTF gun, which in that case, what i suggested is good.

  3. Deer Hunter

    Deer Hunter Well-Known Member

    Ah, the M17S. I was really planning on getting one of those before I fell in love with the FAL.

    I suggest an FAL or any other .308 battle rifle. An SKS would make a great gun as well, for much cheaper.
  4. kid_couteau

    kid_couteau Well-Known Member

    Thought you said you wanted a survival rifle?

    I was thinking like an AR-7 or papoose or M6

    Guess I was mistaken

    See ya
  5. rangerruck

    rangerruck Well-Known Member

    get a combo of take down 22 semi auto rifle, and 6 in bbl 22 semi auto stainless.
    these will both fill quite the bill. If you are looking for real survival type situation, weight will be your biggest enemy in everything you do. the heaviest round , and weapons, and mags you need to be lugging around is 223/556.
  6. chipp

    chipp Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the input.
    I like the mini 30 and its in my price range. But not if its not a good gun. How did I know this was going to cost me 1500!? The M1A is bad to the bone. Guess I"m going to have to save some money.

    Thanks kid, It was me that was mistaken then.
  7. Limeyfellow

    Limeyfellow Well-Known Member

    I tend to use a Lee Enfield No4 in this role and would use a No5 if I had one. Its a tad heavy compared to most modern designs yes. However its nigh impossible to break and I seen them thrown off cliffs, picked up and fired without problems. Its can be chambered with a round nice and silently or extremely fast. Its fairly accurate too and extremely easy to do field repairs too it. For the role of a survival rifle it has everything I could need. Its even better if you can get one chambered in .308win suchas the No9 or one of the many conversions done commercially in the US. In commonwealth countries it can be just as easy to keep it in .303 British.
  8. kid_couteau

    kid_couteau Well-Known Member


    These are a couple that I sort of threw together


    Both New England Frearms

    Both youth models

    one is 223 the other 20 gauge

    The stocks have hollow compartments as do the fore ends and I added the bullet carriers.

    I like them both but I am finding with the 223 I can make heavy and reduced loads for different game

    They also break down fairly easy for carry.

    Just sharing
  9. JesseJames

    JesseJames Well-Known Member

    My two cents.
    The Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad would be perfect. It's not really meant for targetshooting but it could be tuned for decent MOA groups at 200 yards.
    Hard to beat the .308 for hitting power at close range and the recoil isn't that harsh compared to the .30-06.
  10. gunslinger15

    gunslinger15 Well-Known Member

    You should look into a kel-tec they wont cost you 1500 and they look to be very well built guns.
  11. sm

    sm member

    Single shot .22 rifle.

    Something like a Rem 514 that will accept .22 short, long, or long rifle.
    Simple, reliable, iron sights are tough, not dependent on magazines.
    Great for small game, with some of the new offerings like the more CB longs, and quiet rounds - one is less likely to draw attention to themselves with shots fired.

    Bolt gun like CZ 452...
    Marlin Lever action...
    Marlin 60 is another favortite of mine
    Remington Nylon 66 [ butt fed model]

    If matters are serious, and one needs to survive on small game, pest control around or in quarters - a .22 is one must have IMO.

    Ammo...lots and lots of ammo for the monies spent. That ammo is great for barter as well.
    Just like wicks for oil lamps, or flints, or ...

    Just a thought on something not costing a lot, not dependent on so much as if matters are that serious, the corner gunsmith is not going to be handy.
  12. kfranz

    kfranz Well-Known Member

    SKS. Won't cost you squat if you decide you don't like it.
  13. kjeff50cal

    kjeff50cal Well-Known Member

    Rossi makes a .223/20ga Combo that usually sells for the price of one NEF.
    BTW if you buy the NEF .223 Survivor you can send in the receiver and purchase your choice of shotgun (and rifle) barrels.
  14. Limeyfellow

    Limeyfellow Well-Known Member

    If you are living of small game it be easier to set up traps and snares rather than relying on shooting, especially if you have a limited amount of rounds and it be useless against larger animals that are dangerous. Not to say you shouldn't and it can be quite successful but a few dozen snares is much easier and allows you to concentrate on other matters.
  15. OldSchooler

    OldSchooler Well-Known Member

    I agree it, sounds like you really want a battle rifle, a SHTF gun. Not a survival rifle.

    Simply put, here you go:

    7.62 NATO (.308) for real power at nearly any range. Totable in a package like the FAL or CETME. Heavy and uber reliable in the M14/SOCOM.

    5.56 NATO (.223) Lots of rounds you can carry - get an AK chest bandolier. Deadly close in, harmful at range.

    7.62x39 (COMBLOC .30) 10 Loaded mags in bandoliers means a lot of supression and rugged/reliable in AK form. Power like 30-30, past 200 yds, your stretching it.

    All of these are available & affordable today for stockpiling. A quality weapon in any of them will hold you in good stead.

    My 1st choice? M14 in the lightest weight compy stock I can find. AK second choice
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2006
  16. Lonestar.45

    Lonestar.45 Well-Known Member

    Pick up a really nice Yugo SKS for cheap, buy a ton of rounds, and shoot. If you don't like it, you'll just be out the cost of the rounds because you can get your money back out of the Yugo if you want to sell it.

    Personally though, if we're talking about just survival and not self-defense, a good .22 is probably best.
  17. roscoe

    roscoe Well-Known Member

    A couple of good choices on the lower end of the price range:

    Kel Tec SU16 - light, foldable, seems to be reliable from all accounts. .223 is not to be taken lightly, especially if you get soft-point ammo, which the military cannot use. Has long range and good accuracy. $450

    Saiga - a refined, accurate AK. You can get them in .223 or 7.62x39, and they are very accurate, and hell for durable. They don't look so scary because they are set up like sporting rifles with rifle stocks, etc. High capacity magazines require some additonal work, but you can also get folding stocks for portability if you are willing to add some American parts to the rifle $270

    SKS - Inexpensive, but well made and very durable military surplus rifle that is much loved at THR. It is fairly accurate, especially if you add the aftermarket TechSight, and get one with a decent bore. It shoots 7.62x39, and one feature is that you don't have to worry about buying expensive magazines because it has a fixed 10-rounder which is probably plenty for everybody but Rambo. You charge the magazine with stripper clips (25 cents each!). Some, especially the Yugoslavian ones, are not so compact, but you can add a true folding stock, (like the Saiga/AK, but unlike the AR rifles) if you add a few American parts. Also comes with a bayonet for when you are in the trenches. 7.62x39 is plenty good out to 250 -300 yrds, beyond that it is dropping fast. $150

    It all comes down to money and what you want the rifle to do. You could also do just fine with a used lever gun from the pawn shop in .30-30 for 99% of all survival scenarios. I would say just pick a decent one in a rifle caliber and practice, practice, practice until you have total confidence in your abilities with the rifle.

    Me, I have a bunch of different rifles and will wait to see if the survival scenario involves zombies, locusts, or a UN airborne invasion before deciding which rifle to pull from the safe. But I have always thought that a decent lever or semi rifle and an accurate .22 pistol could do most everything you could need for survival in terms of defense and hunting big and small game.

    By the way, if you are interested in survival, you should check out Near Death Experiments, which is a survival (not survivalist) web forum set up by a member here:

  18. Byron

    Byron Well-Known Member

    As your empasis is on survival,it's hard to beat a 30-30 in Winchester or Marlin. If you do not reload, Academy Sports has their store brand,Monarch, in 30-30. It is accurate and expands well.
    I have full confidence in true 5.56 M193 if you go the route of Bushmaster.
  19. Brian Williams

    Brian Williams Moderator Emeritus

    You said Survival Rifle, yet you have one of the best, a win92 clone. I would have what ever hunting rifle or my 1894C along in a situation where I might be lost out wherever along with a Colt woodsman or my S&W 65.
  20. miko

    miko Well-Known Member

    For capable carbine I suggest Marlin lever-action in 357Mag or 44 Mag.

    For rifle I suggest Remington 7600 pump in 234 or 308 with a 10-round after-market magazines.

    The advantages of those over semi-autos is they are reliable with wide selection of ammo, cheap to practice a lot, very fast to shoot and not subject to as many legal restrictions.


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