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Who's right - me or the wife?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by wow6599, Jul 19, 2011.

  1. wow6599

    wow6599 Active Member

    I have a FNP 45 USG that I leave on the nightstand every single night. We have a 4 1/2 year old son who sometimes comes to our room during the night to crawl in bed with us......parents know what I'm talking about.


    My 45 is NOT chambered, has the safety on and takes a lot of strength to rack the slide (chamber a round). Also DA/SA for those who don't know about the gun. Here in the St. Louis area a police officer just had his child die of a self inflected gunshot wound (to that I am very sorry) and my wife say's she wants my "gun" locked-up from now on........I said no. I asked her to take the safety off and rack the slide - she couldn't.

    My questions is this - am I wrong to think it's safe to keep the FNP by the bed, not chambered, with the safety on? There is no way he can rack it, and again - the safety is on. Every morning the pistol goes back in the closet safe........
    What do you all think?

    p.s. - I already know it's a personal thing......just wondering what others think about my reasoning.

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  2. Steel Talon

    Steel Talon New Member

    Keep the wife happy.. It dosnt take much to open up a lock box..Why take a chance with your kids as your wife worries about.. It's still part of keeping your flock safe.
  3. pacerdude

    pacerdude New Member

    That's a tough choice, a compromise might be one of those quick access safes like a gunvault on the nightstand. Then you can have your gun loaded and ready to go, but its still secured in a safe.

    Also for what its worth my girlfriend has already informed me that she wants my gun locked up in my safe as well. I have one of the gunvaults so thats my solution. We dont live together though and have no kids, so the gun stays on the nightstand for now.

    Good luck with your dilemma.
  4. esheato

    esheato New Member

    I think it's foolish to leave it out in the open when you're sleeping. Especially if you know he'll be in the room at some point. Put it in the drawer (out of sight out of mind), get a GunVault or something.

    How would you feel if you woke up to him touching it? Or him pulling it off the nightstand because he saw it and was curious? Exactly.
  5. DammitBoy

    DammitBoy New Member

    You must not have been married too long. Us veterans know the answer is the wife is always right.
  6. Telekinesis

    Telekinesis Active Member

    At a certain point, the wife is always right... :evil:

    Personally, I'd put the pistol in a holster (open top is fine, just something to cover the trigger) and probably put it in a drawer in the night stand if that's possible (it might keep your kid from thinking about it, ya know out of sight, out of mind and all that).

    Also, I don't think its a very good idea to have a first line HD pistol that your wife can't physically use. (If you can't chamber a round or clear a malfunction, you shouldn't use it as a defensive pistol at all). Your gun is your gun, and I wouldn't advise you to change your carry gun, but I do think it'd be a good idea to at least have another gun available that she is able to use too.
  7. firemanstrickland

    firemanstrickland New Member

    Well, as oppose to the rest, I dont think there is anything wrong here. If he cant rack the slide then he cant have an accident. plain and simple, all you have left is to teach your son not to touch your weapon. Good luck with your wife though, I know how tough of a battle that is.
  8. philoe

    philoe New Member

    What Dammit said. Go and get a pistol safe for $60 and the worst possible scenario should be avoided. BTW it doesn't take but 4 secs to get your pistol out. If that's not enough time, you were probably screwed anyways.
  9. Mal H

    Mal H Administrator

    The wife. Now what was the question again?

    Oh, right, keeping a loaded (chambered or not) firearm in open sight with a toddler in the house. The wife is still right. Some may disagree, but I think it's best to keep firearms at least out of sight and inaccessible to them until the kids are old enough to understand them more rationally.
  10. wow6599

    wow6599 Active Member

    That has already happened. Trust me, he knows that I don't play around with him touching any firearm. He's a smart little guy and follows directions.

    Again, not with a round chambered and the safety is on. I would NEVER do this with a Glock, M&P, Kahr, etc.
  11. thefamcnaj

    thefamcnaj New Member

    This is tough. With a mobile youngster in the house, you can never be to careful. There are so many "what if" scenerios you can play in your head. What if he flipped off the saftey and what if he chambered a round....its NOT likely by any means but "what if" he did....it could be catastrophic to say the least.
    At the same time what if some one kicked in your front door in the middle of the night and your gun wasnt in reach...
    So I don't think your wrong at all in your reasoning but at the same time you can't be to safe when it comes to a mobile yougster and fire arms. Perhaps you could place the pistol on a higher piece of furniture in your room where its completely out of reach to the child but you could go right to it in case of emergency.
  12. firemanstrickland

    firemanstrickland New Member

    With all due respect i was almost sure of that already. Just my complete thought. To be honest there is no real way your son can get hurt with your weapon. To all those who say " get a vault" or " put it in a drawer". Hey try to remember where your firearm is at 3am and you grab for the bedside table top and for 15 years its been sittin rite there!! :eek: Where is it? :eek: BANG your dead......yeah, then it doesnt matter how safe you were. ( an early mornin home invasion is a bad time for transition trainning)
  13. Gun vault. Do not offend the tent mother.

  14. mgregg85

    mgregg85 New Member

    Those pistol vaults that are quick and easy to open are only about $100 max, that is very cheap insurance and peace of mind.

    I have also recently seen a little pistol mat that had a built in, pressure sensitive alarm. That would be a good choice only if you were dead set against the idea of the pistol vault.
  15. Frank Ettin

    Frank Ettin Moderator

    I'm with the wife as well. Kids are very ingenious, and there's no telling what they can figure out a way to do. A lock box with some sort of a touch key combination (there are several types, available all over and costing $100 to $200 or so) will let you get to the gun quickly if you need it, but keep the kid out.

    We have several around the house, each with a loaded gun, extra ammunition and a Surefire flashlight. The guns are readily accessible to my wife and me, but not to strangers.
  16. kludge

    kludge New Member

    Last week, right here, a dad left his pistol, empty chamber, lying where his 6 year old found it, racked the slide and shot and killed his two year old sibling.

    I wonder if that father still thinks it's OK.
  17. SARDiver

    SARDiver New Member

    My first post here. Forgive me for not introducing myself in another thread, but I'm compelled to weigh in.

    I'm a father of three. My oldest will turn 6 soon, and my three year old is curious about everything. (Third child is an infant.) I am surprised regularly by how much they can do that I thought they couldn't, such as defeating "childproof" door knobs, bottle tops...you name it.

    You do NOT want the first time you realize that your kid can actually rack the slide, or deactivate the safety, to be at the scene of an accident. You won't know for certain when your child has the ability to operate that weapon.

    I can tell you that no matter how many times you tell a child not to do something, they will do it. My kids won't touch a weapon without permission either (and know that I will show any of the guns to them whenever asked). Kids are kids. The responsibility should not be on them and their decision making power, no matter how advanced it may be for their age. There will be times where giving them the opportunity to make mistakes is fine and dandy. A loaded weapon should not, IMO, be one of those opportunities. It is simply too easy to find a rapid access safe, that takes maybe five seconds to get into on a bad night, that will prevent a dreadful accident. You also have the kids friends to worry about.

    Get a quick safe. Practice opening it and retrieving your pistol. If you're that worried about the five extra seconds, get a dog to warn you, or an alarm system. Don't take the chance with a loaded weapon in the open, or in a drawer (which takes almost as long to open as a good quick access safe). I think the Gun Vault quality sucks. I've ordered them in the past and couldn't even open them with the KEY! (The old ADG safes, made in Texas, were great. Since moving to Iowa, they've gone downhill.)

    My advice, one father to another.
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2011
  18. shiftyer1

    shiftyer1 Active Member

    I keep mine in the bedstand drawer, it's probably not much of a difference but it makes me feel better. If you have that option give it a try, your wife will probably feel she won the compromise and you still have easy access
  19. kingpin008

    kingpin008 New Member

    While I think that the odds of him being able to or finding a way to render the gun dangerous, I'd still invest in a cheap quick access safe or put it in a drawer at the very least.

    I've only been married a year, but I've learned that a big part of a happy relationship is picking your battles. In this case, your wife isn't asking you to stop having a gun available - she's just being a concerned mom, wanting a little extra assurance that her little man won't be able to hurt himself with it. Indulge her.
  20. hermannr

    hermannr New Member

    Wow, First, as a guy that has been married to the same woman for almost 44 years now...you need to keep your wife happy, that does not mean you must do what she says, just that you need to find some compromise that will accomlish the purpose.

    Starting position....You are not "right" and she is not "right", both of your positions have validity...now you need to find some common ground..

    Personally, My HD weapon (SA/DA Colt Officers Model) is in a full cover leather holster on the stand beside the bed, been that way since 1967 when my FIL gave that old Colt to me.

    Our daughter's were taught that if they wanted to shoot, they could, with daddy present, other than that, no touch.

    They were also started on a .22 very young (6-8) and when they could handle the 22, they were told they could shoot the Colt. No problems...all 5 daughters now have their own families.

    I did make the mistake? of allowing them to fire the Colt (SA) before they were really old enough to pull the trigger properly in DA, but then that did have it's advantages...none of them ever wanted to shoot it again. Their mom's High Standard 22s, yes, my Colt, no.

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