Why carry a 1911 in Condition 1 over Condition 2?

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I think the poster of this statement missed much of the previous argument pointing out the merits of Condition 2 carry, or perhaps missed the whole thread. None of those arguments were bent on the idea it's the fastest method. But it offers mechanical safety advantages for unholstered carry that condition 1 does not. It seems this thread just re-invents itself with new comments tangential to the main points, or repetitive of old ones.
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You are so very correct. I miss-red carry as the actual carry of a gun. Oh wait, upholstered....so shoot the course upholstered and let me know how it works for you.

I have read the whole thread. Please don't think I missed the thread. Perhaps I just misunderstood carry to mean the carry of the weapon holstered or not. Please feel free to convince me there are advantages of condition 2 carry (not storage) because I feel there are none.

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Anyone who has shot the courses I mentioned would realize that there is 10 times as much administrative handling of the weapon in the courses of fire as there is weapons presentation.

Speed from presentation (while important) is not the focus. Speed of rounds on target while retaining an acceptable degree of accuracy is. If you think you can handle a gun competently for over 1000-1500 rounds through 2-3 days of fire in a course and then tell me condition 2 is best...Lol then you are foolish. Condition one is a safer method of carry.
 
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I have read the whole thread. Please don't think I missed the thread. Perhaps I just misunderstood carry to mean the carry of the weapon holstered or not. Please feel free to convince me there are advantages of condition 2 carry (not storage) because I feel there are none.
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Simply put, the OP did not ask "what is the advantage of carrying condition 2 shooting a timed course of competitive fire..." It's darn hard to "read" that in to the OP.

I do not think you have read the thread or you would see that many posters have offered situations where the enhanced safety does indeed offer real advantages. Not always, but in some cases. If you feel they AREN"T real advantages, why not rebutt the already offered instances you have read about instead of asking broad questions all over again? It would be a more productive discussion that way.
 
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Simply put, the OP did not ask "what is the advantage of carrying condition 2 shooting a timed course of competitive fire..." It's darn hard to "read" that in to the OP.
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Nor if you read my reply did I limit my response to a timed course of repetitive fire, but to a practical handgun course that requires an immense amount of administrative handling of the weapon and in no way is a repetitive course of timed fire.

I do not think you have read my reply or understood the context. There is no enhanced safety to condition 2 carry.

I choose not to rebut instances of perceived safety, but to offer a challenge. Handle the weapon repetitively in the controlled environment of a weapons course and then let me (and the others of this thread) let us know your thoughts.

I doubt you have ever shot a defensive, practical or tactical handgun course. Why don't you try that and then we will discuss this again.
It would be a more productive discussion that way.
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many posters have offered situations where the enhanced safety does indeed offer real advantages.
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What "enhanced safety" and "real advantages?"

All I've seen on this thread can be boiled down to, "I'm uncomfortable with cocked-and-locked" and "you might forget to disengage the safety lock."

Neither of those add up to "enhanced safety" or "real advantages."
 
i wonder how many of the anti-condition 2 folk have 1911s with bevertails and bobbed/skeletonized hammers?

vs

pro-condition 2 carriers that have standard grip safeties and spur hammers?

as a pro- rtcc2 my carry 1911 has a standard grip safety and a WIDE SPUR hammer-
 
There's clearly some problems with your "Safe Action" theory.
First... all 1911's should be carried cocked and locked. Condition 1! Hooo Aaaah!
Second.... why in the name of all that is mighty would you even think that dropping the hammer on a live round would be safe and/or practical.
Third... When Sh*t hits the fan, is your popeye chicken eatin' behind gonna have the fine dexterity to reach up and cock that hammer back??? Or are you most likely to have a brain fart and pull the trigger and hear and feel nothing but your shorts fill with a smelly goo.
Train like you mean it...
Bottom line, and not to put too fine a point on it... but stchman... you have no idea what your "safe action" butt is talkin' about.
If you want a safe action pistol buy a G-Lock, nothing wrong with it, other than... well... it's not a Colt Series 70. Some of us see between the lines here... and we are not at all pleased.
And... well... not to be too frank but grow up about condition 1.
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Wow, 14 pages. If you are not comfortable carrying a 1911 cocked and locked, consider another handgun. The HK 45 is D/A for the first shot. Yes, it is a heavier trigger pull, but you will have the safety you are looking for. You can also carry it condition one if you want, or decocked with or without the safety. It is my choice, but if I were to carry a S/A only 1911, it would be cocked and locked.

I am in no way saying the HK is better than the 1911, I am just saying that if you have safety concerns over cocked and locked, the 1911 might not be the best choice for you.
 
Took me 2 nights after work to read all these posts... and my definitive answer is - Damn it's good to see 1911Tuner Posting again! I have been (checking and)taking this guys' advice for years before I ever registered to this site. I would actually search my question in Google then add 1911tuner's handle just to see if he had any opinions. Listen to him, he knows his stuff. That being said, it took me awhile to be comfortable w/ carrying in condition 1. I can think of few ways other than holster selection that would convince me to carry in condition 2. It was a actually a run-in w/ police that convinced me to carry in condition 3 most of time. Being a good guy, I immediately told the young officer that I was carrying a weapon during a traffic stop; I told her I would gladly let her take possession of the weapon for the duration of out conversation. I asked if she wanted me to clear it - No she just wanted it. I gave it to her in it's holster in condition 1. I tried to talk her through the process of unloading it for a good 5 minutes. She refused to accept the idea that you couldn't work the slide w/ the safety on and absolutely REFUSED to turn the safety off with the hammer cocked. In the end, whether you carry in condition 1, 2, or 3... the goal is to be able to get to condition 0 and line up on your target as quickly as possible. Whatever you decide - train for it.
 
Downgrading your state of readiness because of a gun ignorant police officer (no slight, just fact in this case) doesn't strike me as a very compelling reason to do so, but that's just me.
 
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