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Why did I get a fired brass w/my pistol?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by hayseed, Aug 5, 2005.

  1. hayseed

    hayseed Well-Known Member

    About 1-2 yrs ago I bought a new Ruger, and it came with a fired brass in a tiny manilla envelope. Who test fired it and why did they give me the brass? :confused:

    (EDIT): Moderator, please feel free to move this thread if this isn't the appropriate place. I thought I was in General Discussions.
  2. foghornl

    foghornl Well-Known Member

    2 reasons...It is a 'proof round', showing that the handgun works as designed.

    SOME states require any new handgun sold with a fired case from THAT gun, supposed to be given to (probably) State police or State Crime Lab for the so-called 'ballistic fingerprinting'
  3. mete

    mete Well-Known Member

    Ballistic fingerprinting is in NY and MD that I know of . It has of course been proven a farce.MD wrote a report on it , do a search for that.
  4. hayseed

    hayseed Well-Known Member

    I'm in Iowa. To my knowlege we don't have that fingerprinting crap. Am I wrong?
  5. griz

    griz Well-Known Member

    Yep, "ballistic fingerprinting". An attempt to legislate the gun makers into solving crime. Hasn't worked too well.
  6. dpesec

    dpesec Well-Known Member

    And neither will putting numbers on bullets and brass
  7. Old Fuff

    Old Fuff Well-Known Member

    Slugs Ahoy:

    No, In Iowa you don't. But the handgun manufacturers have no way of being sure where a particular gun will be sold because distributors ship to dealers all over the country. So to keep out of trouble they put a fired cartridge case into the box with every gun. This costs money of course, and when you bought your handgun you paid your share - for nothing.

    All of this - cartridge cases with all of the handguns, so-called "bullet finger printing," and such has no useful purpose. It is simply another way the gun-grabbers have found to harass gunmakers and make guns more expensive for consumers.
  8. Camjr

    Camjr Well-Known Member

    The fired brass that came with my XD40 makes a nifty keychain cigar punch :fire:
  9. ajkurp

    ajkurp Well-Known Member

    foghornl- it has nothing to do with proof testing.

    It is another dotgov infringment of your human rights of privacy and self ownership.
  10. cracked butt

    cracked butt Well-Known Member

    In states that require 'ballistic fingerprinting' does the manufacturer send the fired case to the proper government agency, or is it the gun buyer's responsibility to do so? If its the latter, it seems that that the process is very open and welcoming to tampering. :scrutiny:
  11. anapex

    anapex Well-Known Member

    In MD the FFL sends the fired casing in to the state police. Can't trust the darn peasants to do it themselves. But that's only because most of us wouldn't :evil: . What bothers me is the program got defunded here and they STILL have to collect the casing because they wouldn't repeal the law for it.
  12. Firethorn

    Firethorn Well-Known Member

    I remember reading about cases where they found that a substantial number of those cases were not actually for the gun in the case. About 5% weren't even the right caliber ;).

    Also, they've found that the 'signature' often changes significantly more during the breakin period, not to mention what a moment with a file(or emery board) could do, a barrel replacement, etc.

    Heck, they couldn't even consistantly match up guns fired serially, when you changed the brand of ammo! So if the fired case was, say, WWB, and you switched to hydrashocks, they wouldn't match up.

    And this was all done with ~200 guns in the test database. Can you imagine what the problem would be like with 200k in there?

    Edit: Ah, found it , and my numbers were a bit off:

    So much for ballistic fingerprinting all guns.
  13. DRZinn

    DRZinn Well-Known Member

    Oh, that's an easy fix. Just ban all but one type of ammo, which must all be made to government specifications so as to be identical before firing.[/idiocy]
  14. DelayedReaction

    DelayedReaction Well-Known Member

    My gun was registered with the database. MD law even required that it be sold with an internal lock safety.

    $50 later and I had a new extractor, an ILS-less mainspring housing, and a gun that mocked the millions of dollars spent on this moronic system.
  15. Dionysusigma

    Dionysusigma Well-Known Member

    A barrel change could be done, too. :)

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