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Why is 22 LR sold out everywhere?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by TooManyToys, Mar 31, 2013.

  1. Killian

    Killian Well-Known Member

    I've tried to get production figures on .22LR for a while from all the major companies. I feel like if I had an idea about how much was being produced per day I could estimate how long this would take to resupply ammo shelves. Could you link me to a source for this data about CCI's production capability? I'd like to check over their figures.

    On other threads I estimated a nationwide production of .22LR at 20 million rounds per day from all sources. At that rate, estimating 3 box demand of 50 (and later for 500 rounds per box) I ended up with a range between 6 months and 2 years in order to supply the US with 3 boxes of either 50 rounds (150 rounds total) or 1500 rounds (3 boxes of 500), per person owning .22s. I felt like I used very conservative figures on estimated demand and estimated ownership of .22 firearms for the most part when I did this estimate. Gets really bizarre when you think about how few people will be satisfied with 3 boxes and would be back for more.

    If the actual production figures are higher I might be able to get a newer, more favorable, time line for when things will improve.
  2. Silverado6x6

    Silverado6x6 Well-Known Member

    Obviously certain pro gun states should heavily invest in building production facilities. Jump start and hire local, ignore any federal interdiction, no federal contracts allowed. made in state, sold in state.

    Alaska is already there, you make it there and the feds are locked out.
  3. Constrictor

    Constrictor Well-Known Member

    .22 is in short supply because there are .22 rifles that quilify for fieinstiens gun ban bill.
  4. David E

    David E Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, no. That figure was via an industry contact. But.......

    .........have you tried calling them?
  5. Skylerbone

    Skylerbone Well-Known Member

    Bought some 3,000 rounds of .22lr last week while out of town and I didn't have to wait in line at opening. I don't resell but I've already given away 525 rounds and will likely do more of the same later this week. It can be found in a lot of places. Typically, a big city Walmart isn't the best choice for finding ammo. Also bought bullets and powder and could have bought dies for .308, 9mm, .223 and a number of other calibers but I already have them.
  6. OldTex

    OldTex Well-Known Member

    I saw a documentary a few days ago (two part) that had been placed on YouTube about CCI's production from one plant. Don't know if that is their only plant or not. IIRC, their capacity was 4 million rounds per day. Sounds like a lot until you saw one truck getting 8 pallets of 250K each. Not even half a truckload.
  7. heeler

    heeler Well-Known Member

    I have been pondering lately that since so much 22 ammo can be cranked out daily by the ammo makers that perhaps they are just delibertly holding back shipments of the produced ammo and are about to release an avalanche of ammo to be sold.
  8. mrvco

    mrvco Well-Known Member

    Why is 22LR so hard to find? Because DHS is finally arming the TSA :D

    Seriously though, I still don't understand why anyone would either wait in a line to buy .22 ammo or pay anything close to centerfire prices for it.
  9. Skylerbone

    Skylerbone Well-Known Member

    I paid $23.95 for the bulk (525 rounds Federal Champion) and $3.95 for the subsonic (Federal Quiet 22). Not outstanding but hardly gouging. I did run across a shop in Ozark Beach offering Federal AutoMatch for $35.00 (325 rounds, bulk) which the local Gander sold for $22.95 last November.
  10. col_temp

    col_temp Well-Known Member

    Good point.
    I would chime in with the rest that it is likely result of lots of mp15-22 and the like out there, with panic buying, and the number of 22's around of old with the increase in 22 semi's (which are great for learning to shoot handguns!)
    Hence a bit of a shortage along with most everything else!
  11. orionengnr

    orionengnr Well-Known Member

    Okay, you have said that twice. It wasn't true the first time, and saying it again doesn't make it any truer.

    .22LR, along with everything else, was sold out at all my local WMs, gun stores, etc., four years ago. The difference is, (almost) nobody was asking $75-100 per bulk pack, and (even closer to) nobody was paying it.

    This time, a lot of people have the advantage of "last time", and I have a feeling that a lot of them think they are going to "cash in". Probably, many already have.

    The guy behind the counter at Bass Pro told me two weeks ago that every morning they have the same guys coming in as soon as the doors open and buying all ammo of any type, taking it and re-selling (either in their gun shops or on-line). I would bet the same thing is happening at Wal-Mart, Academy, Dicks and so on, across the country.

    I saw him again last week. BP now has the ammo behind the counter and is enforcing a however-many-box limit. Difference is they are now controlling the number of boxes leaving the counter.

    When they first started enforcing the limit, they were still putting the ammo on the shelves and only allowing each customer to buy "x" boxes. "Somebody" would grab all the ammo, put it in a shopping cart, stash the cart somewhere, and "somebody" would buy x-number of boxes, then his buddy would buy x-number of boxes, then he'd come back later and buy x-number of boxes again...

    It is a never-ending cat and mouse game. This time, both the cats and the mice are smarter, but the mice have been thinking about this for four years...

    And there are more mice out there. We'll get over it, just like we did last time, but there will be even more mice...plus a lot of average guys who will want to put back a couple hundred (or thousand) rounds so they don't get caught out "next time". And there will be a next time. Count on it.
  12. David E

    David E Well-Known Member

    How does that make any sense whatsoever?
  13. huntsman

    huntsman Well-Known Member

    In 2009 I added 1850 rounds of .22lr to my pile, I was buying 2 boxes of mini-mag and a box of Sluggers twice a month at the local WW because there was no pistol ammo but the .22lr was always on the shelf that year.
  14. Elkins45

    Elkins45 Well-Known Member

    I was in a hole in the wall shop this afternoon for the first time in several months. He was asking $9 for a box of 50 Remington Thunderbolts. I visited a somewhat larger shop a few miles away. They wanted $80/ for CCI primers.

    My Dad used to tell stories about being a kid and walking to the country store to buy loose 22 ammo for a penny a round to shoot squirrels for the family. He was born in 1930. A penny a round in 1939 translates to $8 a box in 2012. Based on these prices it looks like the new Depression is here.
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2013
  15. foxs

    foxs Well-Known Member

    The wholesalers have nothing in stock.

    This means your LGS has nothing to sell.
  16. SilentScream

    SilentScream Well-Known Member

    4 years ago I was working the counter at the Reno Sportsmans Warehouse. After about 3 weeks of getting wiped out by the same 6 guys (LGS owners/managers I might add) coming in and packing off with all the desirable ammo (9, 40, 45, .223, 308) we had to institute a limit. I myself was a nazi about it as I was tired of seeing a lot of people in actual need of practice ammo not being able to get it. And yes I watched as several people tried to pull the hidden shopping cart trick. At any rate we did have .22 and got it on a regular basis, just not the amounts we were used to in the past I.E. our average shipment pre-Obama was a pallet of maybe 100,000rds. After; we were lucky to get 15,000 or 20,000 every couple weeks or a month. If memory serves me correctly, in the middle of the last drought unless you shot .204 ruger, 22-250 or one of the 17 calibers, there wasn't much to be had really. I wonder if those two ancient boxes 356TSW are still there?
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2013
  17. Skylerbone

    Skylerbone Well-Known Member

    Arguing about the past makes no difference, nor does speculation as to why. What's clear is that demand has currently outstripped supply and in many cases price has increased. Am I guilty of hoarding? Maybe but I have no intention of selling off my supply and have given a fair amount (more than 2,000 rounds) away since December including 9mm, .223 and .22lr. The remainder of my .22 is allocated to Spring and Summer practice sessions with my kids.

    What I found here and there on a 10 hour trip, stopping to stretch along the way...I encourage those who cannot find local sources to stop :banghead: and take a drive...


    Attached Files:

  18. mrvco

    mrvco Well-Known Member

    If you're a suffering .22 shooter, buy yourself an Elite Force 1911 Tac for what you're overpaying for a 555 value-pack. It's surprisingly satisfying (relative to .22) and will save you a bunch of money.
  19. Davek1977

    Davek1977 Well-Known Member

    Can we, as a logical group of rational human beings, get over the George Soros fascination/obsession? AS much fun as pretending to know what this ammo shortage is really about and conveniently being able to solidly place the blame on a certain entity, the theory has been proven false on multiple occasions. Let it die. Resurrecting this rumor and swearing its the truth does nothing but muddy the waters with disinformation and paranoia. There's plenty of real reasons why ammo is in short supply, and they have nothing to do with Soros. For the love of all that is holy, please, just let this one die out!
  20. Elkins45

    Elkins45 Well-Known Member

    Won't the cost of all those CO2 cartridges quickly exceed the cost of rimfire ammo even at current hyperinflated prices?

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