1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Why let them set the terms?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by danprkr, May 14, 2011.

  1. danprkr

    danprkr Well-Known Member

    Bear with me, but in the debate about abortion the anti-abortion crowd finally picked the term pro-life. So why is we don't have a more accurate term for our cause that immediately puts our opponents on the defensive?

    Let's face it gun rights is kind of silly. Guns have no rights, they're inanimate objects. Why do we not say we're pro-selfdefense, or pro freedom, or pro constitution instead? Or some other term. I'm open to suggestions.

    But, my point is why do we not identify ourselves in such a way that those who would take our right look silly for the mere attempt? I mean they do, but why shouldn't that impression be given from the start of the conversation.

    I say this because for many years I'm less of a gun guy and more of a freedom guy. I'm much less concerned with what's in a nightstand than the fact that there should be something in that nightstand to protect my freedom etc.
  2. LibShooter

    LibShooter Well-Known Member

    Labels like that mean less than we think they do. For instance, after nearly 40 years the "Pro-life" folks haven't won. People can see beyond self imposed names and make up their minds on the real issues.
  3. Waywatcher

    Waywatcher Well-Known Member

    This thread is playing with fire!

    Why not just Pro-gun?
  4. seuadr

    seuadr Well-Known Member

    political labels like "pro-life" and "assault clips" are used because those people know that is they only way that they can try to confuse their political stance. it stands right up there with ridiculous bill titles like "the bill to restore freedom to the US" or "Bill to save our children" it obscure the real intent because they think that people are stupid.
  5. Kendal Black

    Kendal Black Well-Known Member

    The Swiss came up with something rather good: Pro-Tell, a reference to their folk hero, William Tell. Of course, Tell used a crossbow, not a gun, but the idea is there of the dignity and importance of the armed citizen.

    All right, thinking caps on, everybody: Surely we can come up with something as evocative and meaningful. Let's kick it around a bit, see what ideas emerge.
  6. Grey_Mana

    Grey_Mana Well-Known Member

    "Anti-rape" has a certain flair. The anti-gun crowd certainly is pro-rape in their policy implications.
  7. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    "pro individual freedom"
    "pro self responsible"
  8. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

  9. HGM22

    HGM22 Well-Known Member

    I'm liking pro-self defense.
  10. Justin

    Justin Moderator Staff Member

    Pro-freedom, pro-liberty, pro-gun.

    All three of those terms are short, truthful, and to the point.
  11. Neverwinter

    Neverwinter Well-Known Member

    Gun rights are also a pro-choice movement. People can choose if and how they arm themselves. Just as pro-choice doesn't force people to receive abortions, pro-gun doesn't force people to bear arms.
    Last edited: May 14, 2011
  12. Ky Larry

    Ky Larry Well-Known Member

    I saw a young lady the other day who had on a t-shirt that read "PRO 2A."
  13. danprkr

    danprkr Well-Known Member

    No, the pro-life people haven't won in 40 years, but their self chosen label does give them a leg up in some areas of the debate. I don't want to discuss the abortion issue here though that was just an example.

    My personal favorite so far is pro-self defense. It's hard for even the anti gun crowd to say we don't have the right to self defense. Some do of course, but those are so far out they won't be swayed anyway, and even the Brady Bunch doesn't try to deny a person's right to self defense. They may try to discredit gun ownership as a method of self defense but they typically don't say we don't have that right. If by our mere label we assert a right that they won't/can't deny then we automatically have them on the defensive.

    My other reason for liking pro-self defense is that self defense is a God given right, and guns are merely the tools to most effectively assert right. Some day the technology may change and guns will all be museum pieces, and by defending our gun rights we may be cutting our noses off to spite our faces. By relabeling it as our right to self defense then we simply change from guns to whatevers without missing a beat and move on with the battle. Because you know that the change in technology will be a point in which those that would curtail our rights will attempt to assert their views.

    Regardless good discussion so far.
  14. 22-rimfire

    22-rimfire Well-Known Member

    "Pro-Self Defense"; thoughtful term. I prefer "Pro-2nd Amendment or Pro-2A". However, the gun control advocates are not now trying to take away the guns, they want to restrict who buys or owns guns. Of course the real issues are Freedom and Crime, as the gun control advocates "say" they are not trying to restrict your ability to own a firearm as long as you are willing to jump through all the government restriction hoops to get there. With crime, the adage that criminals don't obey the law anyway and will still get their weapons regardless, so it comes back to the freedom issue.
  15. Toaster

    Toaster Well-Known Member

    I'll stick with pro-gun. Trying to attach a more politically correct label to my beliefs is too ...uh, politically correct for me!:D
  16. CTPhil

    CTPhil Well-Known Member

    The problem with labels is that they over simplify things, which has a polarizing effect that gets you nowhere. "Pro Life" implies that anyone who believes in abortion rights is "anti life", which is simply not true.
  17. ErikO

    ErikO Well-Known Member

    The only labels I think fit anywhere near guns have dollar signs on them.
  18. JTHunter

    JTHunter Well-Known Member

    Pro-Gun = Pro-Life - YOURS!
  19. azmjs

    azmjs member

    Pro abortion-rights people don't accept the term "pro-life" as anything but a sanctimonious self-serving lie, to put it bluntly. It doesn't put their opponents on the defensive because nobody takes it seriously.

    It's worth keeping in mind that anti-abortion forces have failed almost completely to get what they want in this country.

    The spiteful polarizing provocation of their terminology has something to do with this, I would wager.

    It's also worth remembering that if you use terminology that already has an accepted meaning, you run the risk of being santictimonious and therefore off-putting if you aren't careful.

    For example, take the two, superficially similar statements "gun ownership is a civil right" and "I support civil rights."

    Now, everything is fine if you do happen to support the struggle for civil rights, which in its contemporary stage is mostly a matter of equality for gays, and if you are a supporter of the Civil Rights Act and that sort of thing-- but if you're essentially just trying to be clever or cute, then it's counter productive.

    The key to safeguarding gun rights is getting the liberal half of America on board with them, that's the only possible way to really make it bulletproof.

    The best way to go about doing that is to convince them that gun rights are part of the broader equality and civil rights agenda that they hold so dear.
    Last edited: May 16, 2011
  20. AirForceShooter

    AirForceShooter Well-Known Member

    Labels mean everything.
    They define the individual, like it or not.
    Lately those labels have been used to demonize groups.
    The redefine gun owners with a "good" label is a great idea.

    The NRA loves the term "sportsmen"
    Personally I hate it.

    How about "proactive citizen"?


Share This Page