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Why no love for the Mini-14 ?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by mp5a3, Jul 30, 2009.

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  1. mp5a3

    mp5a3 Well-Known Member

    I own a few AR15's but have been owned a Mini-14. I played around a little with one and have been kicking around the idea of buying one. I'm surprised that not too many people seem to like them. They share a lot of the same design principals with the M1 Garand, which to here tell, was handcrafted by God himself within heavens pearly gates.

    (Don't get huffy, Garand lovers, I'm not knocking the M1 at all)
  2. P.B.Walsh

    P.B.Walsh Well-Known Member

    Not as accuate as an AR-15, and lower aftermarket support, that's all that I can think of.:)
  3. black_powder_Rob

    black_powder_Rob Well-Known Member

    its America's AK and people need something to hate.

    Also I think it stems from the way Bill Ruger handled the company during the awb in the 90's.

    P.S. i love mine.
  4. MikeKeyW

    MikeKeyW Well-Known Member

    I was told by a LE firearms instructor that the M-16 was much more reliable than the AC556K's they fielded. Personally while I love my M1A NM the Mini-14 feels like I'm holding a BB or toy gun, I don't have that toy feeling with my AR's, go figure...
  5. Omaha-BeenGlockin

    Omaha-BeenGlockin Well-Known Member

    My Tactical Mini rides shotgun -so to speak- in my trunk daily.

    Factory mags and I'm well armed.
  6. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    I love mine.

    It's not the perfect rifle for every possible application, but once you get to shooting some, you realize that nothing is.:)
  7. benEzra

    benEzra Moderator Emeritus

    I think most of the low opinions of the mini-14 (other than grumbling about the price) were generated by the older, pre-580 series mini's. I owned a 188-series Ranch Rifle myself, and finally sold it because in 15+ years, its best 100-yard group ever was 5.5", from a rest and rear bag. My AK will shoot better than that with cheap Wolf.

    The other thing is, for the MSRP of a mini-14, you can buy an AK of comparable accuracy, PLUS an optic, PLUS a Surefire light and mount, and you may still have enough change left over for mags and ammo. Or, you could buy an AR, and have a rifle with better accuracy potential and better ergonomics.

    On the upside, they are reliable and handy, though.
  8. black_powder_Rob

    black_powder_Rob Well-Known Member

    Really? AR's feel like toys to me with their plastic stocks. Never liked the Plastic polymers. Don't get me wrong if I was given one to use I would, but I am just as happy use my mini14. I guess its true what they say different strokes for different folks.:D
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2009
  9. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    Owning and shooting both, I fail to see how an AR has better ergonomics.

    The Mini points better. The AR handles better as an "entry" carbine.

    Of course, a 20" AR is a decent-handling rifle, quite different from both, but it's really fair to compare carbines with carbines.

    (My Mini is a stainless/xytel Ranch Rifle)
  10. WardenWolf

    WardenWolf member

    The Mini-14 is a good enough gun. A lot of people were turned off by the early ones that had an out-of-spec barrel and were highly inaccurate, but the newer ones are very fine rifles. However, for the price of a Mini-14, I would rather have a Saiga .223.
  11. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    I shot a Saiga once.

    Worst handling carbine I've ever had the displeasure of picking up.

    It shoots fine, though.
  12. dom1104

    dom1104 Well-Known Member

    It is in my opinion, possibly the most overpriced, poorly performing gun I have ever shot.

    It is most likely, the worst example of an american fighting carbine.

    This is all because it is very VERY overpriced for what you are getting, due to the cost of manufacturing it.

    There are better choices. it is handy, and portable, but there are more handy and more portable options in the high speed varmint gun caliber that costs 800 bucks.

    By the I would personally get a mini up to the point that it would be USABLE for defense at short ranges, it would cost more than an AR. most likely far more.

    Sorry if I am ranting but it was a gun I wanted to like, but just could not find anything redeeming about it in the end.
  13. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    I agree, the prices can be way too high -- although they're available for a lot less than 800 bucks, and I paid 600. And I'm not telling anyone to rush out and get one; I already have one, but I do like it.

    What, exactly, does that require?

    Mine was 100% usable out of the box, for short-range defense. I'm not really a mall ninja type, though.
  14. frankiestoys

    frankiestoys Well-Known Member

    Iv'e been seeing alot of post lately on these rifle's.
    I own a new model. SS ,synthetic stock, heavy barrel,trigger job, accu-strut and a nikon prostaff on top. IT WILL SHOOT 1 INCH GROUPS.(50 YARDS)
    I looked at an older model just a few days ago and its clearly not the same rifle, Ruger seemed to have fix the problems it may have had.
    Ive only fired about a thousand rounds through it and had only one jam (wolf ammo) and it never happened again.
    These are good guns ,not perfect but they will do what you need them to do.
    And they are not toys!
  15. dom1104

    dom1104 Well-Known Member

    well you must live in a better part of the county for gun prices then, I have not seen one for less than 800 in a long while.

    I havent checked in a LONG while, but I belive the factory mags were in the 30 - 35 dollar each range, the rail for red dot or whathaveyou was 50 for a weigand, and some way to put a light on it was pricey too.

    It ended up a $1100 ish proposition, for a gun that couldnt shoot any better than an sks. The one I had was probably the worst rifle for accuracy I have ever shot. Including milsurp stuff. Granted I am basing this opinion on 1 rifle, but I have heard the same from everyone I have ever talked to about it.

    I really think its market is for people in California who CANT buy an AR.

    Dont get me wrong, the idea of a mini-garand is a great one and one I definatly wanted to like, but a rifle that cant shoot straight for that kind of money, is just not a good buy.
  16. dom1104

    dom1104 Well-Known Member

    I actually know a guy who has 6 of them.

    he is a kind of survivalist type tho, buys guns for his family and never shoots them. has more ammo than you can shake a stick at but I bet he hasnt shot 1000 rounds in his lifetime.

    So yeah, my mental association with the mini 14 is "Overpriced, innaccurate, heavy for its size, and Y2K."

  17. frankiestoys

    frankiestoys Well-Known Member

    sorry to hear that.
  18. taliv

    taliv Moderator

    that's usually a clue

    kinda surprised to hear you say this, AB. Try running your mini left-handed for a bit. I don't find any of that style actions (garand/m14/etc) to be very ergonomic. I don't much care for the mag release or the location of the bolt-hold-open or the safety. I find the pistol grip of the AR much more ergonomic, and collapsible/adjustable stocks are better than folders.
  19. MCMXI

    MCMXI Well-Known Member

    Who cares what others think about the Mini-14? My wife can hit a 1' x 2' steel plate at 300 yards ALL DAY LONG and she enjoys it!! Are the rounds grouping at 3"? Probably not, but WHO FRIGGIN' CARES ... she doesn't so why should I?!! The Mini-14 is a MOM rifle that is ergonomic, light, short, maneuverable, INCREDIBLY reliable, low recoiling and accurate enough for just about any PRACTICAL scenario. In fact, if I had to wander off into the woods in a survival situation, I'd take the Mini before any of my ARs ... no doubt about it. If you decide to buy one, just realize what it is, what it's designed for and most importantly, what it's not.

  20. ArmedBear

    ArmedBear Well-Known Member

    True re shooting left-handed. The magazine release on the Mini is inferior, and the bolt release is right-handed.

    The safety is personal preference, but it's ambidextrous on the standard Mini, not the standard AR.

    WRT the pistol grip, the standard Mini points better, plain and simple. I don't have a folder on mine, and I don't want one. The collapsible AR makes a nicer "entry" weapon. As I wrote above.

    My Mini has never had a FTF or FTE. Can't say that for the AR.

    Note that I haven't sold off either.:)
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