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Why so much disdain for the .25 acp?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Guvnor, Dec 10, 2012.

  1. Jaymo

    Jaymo Well-Known Member

    Penetrating gel is completely different from penetrating bone.
    Likewise, executing a restrained prisoner with a shot to the base of the skull is different from a center mass shot on a violent attacker.
  2. mr.trooper

    mr.trooper Well-Known Member

    Most people need something to look down on.

    Hating the 25 makes them feel superior, and facts need not interject.
  3. rookorami

    rookorami Well-Known Member

    You have a good point Med, it seems people forget about their duty to retreat if possible in a defensive situation.
  4. Kiln

    Kiln Well-Known Member

    My point with the execution post was to show that the absolute internet knowledge that says the .25acp won't even penetrate the skull is a huge load of crap. Restrained or not, headshots did the trick.
  5. MedWheeler

    MedWheeler Well-Known Member

    Leadchucker writes:
    There is nothing "tongue-in-cheek" about an indignant condescending attitude that crops up in every thread in which the use of any caliber below 9mm for self-defense comes up. It's old already, beat to death. I don't know; maybe you haven't been around long enough to have grown weary of hearing it.

    Stop and think: you weren't admitting that you felt the same way (that being shot with a .25 will only make one mad); you were only quoting what you've "been told many times", as you put it. What I was attacking was the message, not the messenger. Perhaps the messenger should try not to be so sensitive.

    And while you stick to your point on the ".380 micro-pistols are way more easy to shoot and control", I'll stick to my point on combining a firearms-defense with the concept of self-extraction as well.
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2012
  6. greyeyezz

    greyeyezz Well-Known Member

    If this caliber was as hot as the topic.......................
  7. Teachu2

    Teachu2 Well-Known Member

    It's not completely worthless, just worth less than nearly any other current-production caliber. It's the peso of pistols.
  8. 481

    481 Well-Known Member

    It might very well be.

    Domestic production of the .25ACP continues to this day and the major manfacturers (Winchester, Federal, Remington, etc.) wouldn't be making it if somebody wasn't buying it.
  9. Kiln

    Kiln Well-Known Member

    Their incredibly compact size is what they're useful for. The Kel Tec P32 isn't even as tiny as a Bauer or similar steel .25acp pistol.

    They're good for when you need a gun but can't carry even an P3AT sized gun easily. The Browning or Bauer .25acp can be hidden on your person extremely easily. There are lots of negatives to carrying a .25 caliber pistol but they're not nearly as bad as some people seem to believe.
  10. TimboKhan

    TimboKhan Moderator

    This needs to calm down some, or its getting closed, which i am already tempted to do. Getting this fired up about a situationally useful but generally marginal cartridge is goofy.

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  11. TennJed

    TennJed Well-Known Member

    BTW good choice in the Ruger LCR 22lr. That is what my wife uses
  12. nwilliams

    nwilliams Well-Known Member

    I'd never choose to carry a .25 for personal protection if I had other options available to me.

    That said I'd rather be armed with a .25 than to not be armed at all if I felt my life was in danger. It may not stop an attacker but it might slow them down and buy me time if nothing else.
  13. Preacher.

    Preacher. Active Member

    25 would not be my choice at all. I'd prefer a 22 LR or 22 Mag all day before the 25. That is just my personal preference. The 380 should make a nice small caliber gun for your wife. Just my .02 on the issue.
  14. cfullgraf

    cfullgraf Well-Known Member

    I will agree, the LCR is probably a god choice for your wife. With the reasonable cost of 22LR ammunition, she will shoot it more for practice and maybe desire to try something larger.

    As for the 25ACP, you kind of answered the question with this last paragraph. The 25 ACP is a back up, easy concealment firearm to diffuse close encounters which it seems is what your great grandfather and grand father were using their 25 ACP for (BTW, I have the personal handgun my grandfather carried in France during the Great War and it is a cherished family procession).

    With today's micro 380 ACPs, the benefits of the 25 ACP's small size are not as much of an advantage as they used to be. But, the micro 380 ACPs have their disadvantages as well.

    Disdain for the 25 ACP might come from the notion that some folks feel the need for 44 performance from a palm size handgun.
  15. otasan56

    otasan56 Well-Known Member

    The .25ACP is a very poor choice for SD. Even a .32 is a much better choice.
  16. mtrmn

    mtrmn Well-Known Member

    Hey Guv--I bet you not ONE of these guys would stand at 100 yds and let your wife shoot at them with a baby Browning. ;)

    I can only wish I had one or two of them myself.....
  17. pockets

    pockets Well-Known Member

    Q - "What's dis stain?"

    A - "Do you mean dat stain on da floor? Why, dat's left over from da last guy who laughed at my .25acp"
  18. 481

    481 Well-Known Member

    That's pretty good, pockets. Funniest thing I've read all day.
  19. ceetee

    ceetee Well-Known Member

    I used to own a Raven .25, and it was by far one of the easiest-to-shoot guns I've ever owned. I could run the police qualification course with it and pass, as well. In contrast, the LCP in .380 is one of the hardest-to-shoot pistols I've ever owned. While the recoil of a .380 isn't all that much in a larger, steel-framed pistol, it's quite a handful in the "micro" pistols. I think she's made a great choice in starting out with the .22 revolver. It's a great first step.

    FWIW, I've seen exactly one guy shot with a .25 ACP. It happened right in front of me. These two drunk neighbors of mine got into a quarrel once, and the shorter one shot the taller one in the chest. The bullet entered just over his left nipple, nicked a rib, and proceeded straight on through his body, finally coming to rest between the back ribs just under his shoulder blade. While it didn't kill him, it did make for the vaunted one-shot-stop (tm). He went down to his knees, bleeding, no fight left in him.

    I personally wouldn't want the .25 to be my ONLY means of self-defense, but yeah. It's way better than a hurled rock.
  20. mdauben

    mdauben Well-Known Member

    These guns are not any more user friendly for people with small hands than their full sized brethren. The circumference of the grip on the Glock 26 for example is the same as the full sized Glock 17, the only difference is that it's shorter. As some others have said, a single-stack gun is much more likely to fit small hands than a stubby double stack.

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