Why the hype about the XDs?
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I have to disagree. I have 2 of the .45 XD-S's and found them to be very soft shooting...even with +p.
My only complaint is the recall, seems SA is determined to alienate many owners they way they are mishandling it.
OilyPablo
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The recall is leaving a sour taste in my mouth. I faithfully shipped it the day after it was announced even though mine had no issues and they now have my gun!
That said, the gun feels great in my hand, hardly any recoil, totally reliable, very slim, easy to carry and exceedingly accurate. Exactly what I wanted in .45ACP.
That said, the gun feels great in my hand, hardly any recoil, totally reliable, very slim, easy to carry and exceedingly accurate. Exactly what I wanted in .45ACP.
I own several Glock models. My first CCW was a G27. My EDC was a XDs till it went back for the recall. I have tried a G30 and G36 and cannot seem to shoot them well. The compact Glocks tear me up when spending any range time with them. I don't have any issues with my G29. My hands just do not like a Glock in 45acp. Totally different story with the XDs. I can easily go through a few hundred rds with no issues. The ergos are different and the recoil is much more manageable with the XDs. Even with warm 230gr ammo.
As I have mentioned from the beginning, I had my RMA printed up, and thought that it wasn't a great idea to send it in, until I at least knew how long the repair would take, and what the heck it actually was. I also considered that they may get overwhelmed and offer us a self install kit at some point, once they realize the mess they created for themselves.
This seems like a class action suit will appear suddenly. If so they may be forced to refund the cost of the gun once it becomes, " an unreasonable delay", at that point I will decide what my options are. It is very odd to recall a product when you can't offer a repair for it, I would think they will have to make good on it at some point.
And don't think for a moment that just because they are a well known company, that they can't go bankrupt, or at least seek protection under the bankruptcy laws if this gets too expensive to fix. If they sold a million guns and it cost 50 dollars to fix each one, "it may be more or less", it may be a real problem to come up with that money after it has been spent.
It also will affect their gun sales looking forward, "I know I won't be buying a polymer gun from them soon", although their 1911's remain solid. We don't know how much of their business is in Polymer pistols.
The same thing has happened to Mercedes and Samsung, who offered refunds or repairs, without admitting blame, "but they had the fix for their problems".
Springfield seems to be "lost", at the moment with several hundred thousand Plus guns sitting in their warehouse. And stores not ordering new merchandise on two of their biggest selling models, until the air clears.
This seems like a class action suit will appear suddenly. If so they may be forced to refund the cost of the gun once it becomes, " an unreasonable delay", at that point I will decide what my options are. It is very odd to recall a product when you can't offer a repair for it, I would think they will have to make good on it at some point.
And don't think for a moment that just because they are a well known company, that they can't go bankrupt, or at least seek protection under the bankruptcy laws if this gets too expensive to fix. If they sold a million guns and it cost 50 dollars to fix each one, "it may be more or less", it may be a real problem to come up with that money after it has been spent.
It also will affect their gun sales looking forward, "I know I won't be buying a polymer gun from them soon", although their 1911's remain solid. We don't know how much of their business is in Polymer pistols.
The same thing has happened to Mercedes and Samsung, who offered refunds or repairs, without admitting blame, "but they had the fix for their problems".
Springfield seems to be "lost", at the moment with several hundred thousand Plus guns sitting in their warehouse. And stores not ordering new merchandise on two of their biggest selling models, until the air clears.
I have to say that my XDs was a joy to shoot. I didn't find it harsh at all. My problem now, ( and it is just me ) that I was under the impression that the internal workings was a scaled down version of the full size. I now found out it isnt and that's my deal with it. I thought it was something it isnt. And really, thats my own fault for ASSUMING, and not doing my research before I bought it.
Don't blame yourself, we were told by one of the best company's that this gun was the greatest little, polymer 45 that was ever made, "basically". Why would you doubt a company like Springfield, it's in the top tier of gun makers. We expect when they release a product, that it is safe and that they have done all of the testing that goes along with releasing a new weapon to the world.
It would be like Colt or Glock, bringing a dangerous gun to market. All of this should have been caught in the R&D and test phases. This is no "little problem", like an extractor or a recoil spring. It is pretty interesting that they can't figure out what's causing this. It leads me to believe it may be the frame of something that can't be fixed with a part replacement. Perhaps the slide has to be reworked. Or the firing pin channel, if so it's going to cost them a lot more than they thought. I think they can fix it, but the fix is too costly, and they are trying to find a cheaper way of doing it.
Anything man built can be fixed, but if it costs too much time the cost gets out of control. And who knows which other guns this carries over to? Or how many guns are out there. The postage alone and the extra people aside from the part are a killer.
Does anyone know how many guns we are talking about?
It would be like Colt or Glock, bringing a dangerous gun to market. All of this should have been caught in the R&D and test phases. This is no "little problem", like an extractor or a recoil spring. It is pretty interesting that they can't figure out what's causing this. It leads me to believe it may be the frame of something that can't be fixed with a part replacement. Perhaps the slide has to be reworked. Or the firing pin channel, if so it's going to cost them a lot more than they thought. I think they can fix it, but the fix is too costly, and they are trying to find a cheaper way of doing it.
Anything man built can be fixed, but if it costs too much time the cost gets out of control. And who knows which other guns this carries over to? Or how many guns are out there. The postage alone and the extra people aside from the part are a killer.
Does anyone know how many guns we are talking about?
clamman
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I've been fiddling with my XDs, loaded or unloaded , trying my best to get it to slam fire or double tap. Can't get it to. We'll see what the fix is and then I might send it back.
OilyPablo
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Indeed, mine never had an issue.
I guess the deal happens with your finger on the boogerhookswitch and some other combo. Stuff I never tried, maybe because it would seem unsafe at best!
I guess the deal happens with your finger on the boogerhookswitch and some other combo. Stuff I never tried, maybe because it would seem unsafe at best!
On that page enter your serial number and click Next. If your pistol is subject to this recall, you will need to provide your name,
^ Doesn't this suggest that there's a fix for the recall? Unless of course all SN's are in the recall.
^ Doesn't this suggest that there's a fix for the recall? Unless of course all SN's are in the recall.
GBExpat
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Apparently, all SNs are in the recall.
JR24
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Sold my one (and only) XD. I'd get a Kahr first in myself.
Posted at Springfield's site, FYI:
XD-S™ Voluntary Safety Recall FAQ
Updated Oct. 4, 2013
This information applies only to XD-S™ pistols in the serial number ranges below
Springfield 3.3 XD-S™ 9mm pistols - serial numbers between XS900000 and XS938700
Springfield 3.3 XD-S™ .45ACP pistols - serial numbers between XS500000 and XS686300
This Springfield XD-S™ Recall FAQ will be updated every Friday through the recall process. Please check back for updates.
Thank you for the positive response to our voluntary safety recall and to our most recent update. We exercised extreme caution by issuing this recall and we did so because safety is, and always has been, our paramount concern. We truly appreciate the enormous support, patience and loyalty of our customers and we remain committed to resolving this matter quickly and ensuring that you are pleased with your upgraded 3.3 XD-S™.
As we noted in last Friday's update, our testing of potential upgrade solutions has continued and we are pleased to tell you that we have made significant progress over the last seven days. We have now identified what we believe is our final upgrade solution and throughout this coming week we will be continuing with our thorough and exhaustive testing of that solution. It's because of our commitment to your safety that we are conducting such extensive testing and we are working as fast as we can so that we can return your upgraded pistol to you.
We understand that our voluntary safety recall has made it inconvenient for you to be without your pistol, and we sincerely apologize for that. We expect to have more definitive information to share with you by Friday, October 11.
As a reminder, do not use your 3.3 XD-S™ until the upgrade has been performed.
XD-S™ Voluntary Safety Recall FAQ
Updated Oct. 4, 2013
This information applies only to XD-S™ pistols in the serial number ranges below
Springfield 3.3 XD-S™ 9mm pistols - serial numbers between XS900000 and XS938700
Springfield 3.3 XD-S™ .45ACP pistols - serial numbers between XS500000 and XS686300
This Springfield XD-S™ Recall FAQ will be updated every Friday through the recall process. Please check back for updates.
Thank you for the positive response to our voluntary safety recall and to our most recent update. We exercised extreme caution by issuing this recall and we did so because safety is, and always has been, our paramount concern. We truly appreciate the enormous support, patience and loyalty of our customers and we remain committed to resolving this matter quickly and ensuring that you are pleased with your upgraded 3.3 XD-S™.
As we noted in last Friday's update, our testing of potential upgrade solutions has continued and we are pleased to tell you that we have made significant progress over the last seven days. We have now identified what we believe is our final upgrade solution and throughout this coming week we will be continuing with our thorough and exhaustive testing of that solution. It's because of our commitment to your safety that we are conducting such extensive testing and we are working as fast as we can so that we can return your upgraded pistol to you.
We understand that our voluntary safety recall has made it inconvenient for you to be without your pistol, and we sincerely apologize for that. We expect to have more definitive information to share with you by Friday, October 11.
As a reminder, do not use your 3.3 XD-S™ until the upgrade has been performed.
Vincent1966
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The "hype" about the XD-S for me began when I got my 1st XD, a service 45 ACP cal w/thumb safety. Literally chose between that gun and a 1911. It just felt a tad better in my sausage hands. When a previous ammo shortage had 45 ammo scarce, I got an XD service 40 S&W. When I was able to carry, I got an XD 40 SC. Love them all. Also got an LCP for carry. Felt too small to me, and I was wanting a better sight system.
When the XD-S came out, I sold a couple before getting one for myself. Fit better in my hands than the LCP, but fit better on my waist than the 40 SC for CC. Took it to the range, and yes, the recoil was angrier than its big brother, but not unmanageable for me. LCP aside, it was my main carry weapon.
Still love my XDs but not wanting to go back to SC or LCP for carry. Would get a 40 S&W Shield if the price is right. Then I could swap them out during recall periods --
-- JUST KIDDING. Maybe.
MC
When the XD-S came out, I sold a couple before getting one for myself. Fit better in my hands than the LCP, but fit better on my waist than the 40 SC for CC. Took it to the range, and yes, the recoil was angrier than its big brother, but not unmanageable for me. LCP aside, it was my main carry weapon.
Still love my XDs but not wanting to go back to SC or LCP for carry. Would get a 40 S&W Shield if the price is right. Then I could swap them out during recall periods --
-- JUST KIDDING. Maybe.MC
bikemutt
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I tried both the XDS 45 and 9mm. I could shoot both guns with a surprising degree of accuracy. I don't know quite what it was but I did not care for either of them. Sold the 9mm about two weeks before the recall.
I figured since I'd already tried the XD and XDm lines and didn't care for those either, maybe Springfield's just weren't for me.
Then I met my EMP, I'm feeling the love
I figured since I'd already tried the XD and XDm lines and didn't care for those either, maybe Springfield's just weren't for me.
Then I met my EMP, I'm feeling the love
Imagine the logistics: Do you bring 25 members of the Croation Assembly/Engineering to Springfield, to fix this? Or, do you ship them all out in "one batch a week" back to Croatia?
Looks like the 04 OCT 13 numbers put it at almost 180,000 pistols, so far. This is THE XDs hype.
Ya know if Walther made a .45 PPS I'd probably buy one, I already have the 9 and the 40
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