Why would I donate to THR?

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From what I remember, this board has a mandate by the owner that it's purpose is to advance the cause of the RKBA. Posts reflect that, and anything that does not further it's purpose is noise, and not welcome. That's fine by me. I'm a member and a mod on some other gunny boards, and they are all different.

I don't come here for laughs or chuckles, this isn't the place. I got other boards for that. I do come here for hardcore information from a bunch of people who'se opinions I trust.

So THR is a forum for a SPECIFIC cause, and as such, requires some active moderation, people being who they are.
 
Oh, I knew what the saying was - I was just looking for a straight man to finish it off for Lewis!

Biker:neener:
 
I wonder if he's related to the Injun-killer Louis Wetzel, the dark hero of Ohio?

It would be a shame if he left. I mean after all we need all the experts of very high intelligence we can find - being an entry-level sort of place and all. <snort & chortle>

John
 
Wow, I'm not impressed, everyone here is quick to prove Lewis's point. How about constructive discussion and open minded approach to the high road moderation and policies.
I visit the site daily, find great info and help, I help where and when I can, but I can't disagree with Lewis on the type of moderation that at times seems to be done my a moderator who disagrees with the subject.
Lewis only brought up a valid point, in a professional manor, but he's basically being told to go away. That's not high road at all.
 
Sometimes you have to get dirty when you wrestle with pigs.
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He did kinda get tossed in the mud huh?

I don't think that its our moderators that have thin skins....
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For the most part I think that is a correct statement but some do tend to be particularly sensitive about some subjects.

Also I see posts edited or completely deleted with no explanation.
Seems to me if your gonna kick a guys post out he should at least get sentence or two as to why.
But then it isn't my forum now is it?
 
JCT, I don't think that anyone here is proving Lewis Wenzel's "point." He has lots of points directed at everyone in this forum with the single exception of Lewis Wenzel, but his explicit point is directed at moderators. I'm not one of them and neither are you or most others who contributed to this thread.

Accusing the moderators of closing threads is in the same league as accusing a novelist for ending a novel. That's what they do and what they're supposed to do. I can complain that the novel didn't end where or how I wanted, but that's as pointless as accusing moderators for ending threads before Lewis Wenzel or anyone else likes.

Forget everyone else. That's Lewis Wenzel's real gripe, and it's consistent in other messages I've seen from him: things happen without Lewis Wenzel's approval and that's unacceptable to Lewis Wenzel.

And, to strengthen his argument, Lewis Wenzel claims that other people on the Internet share his unhappiness. But that I cannot believe. I have never seen anyone on the Internet unhappy about anything at all.

The Internet is a placid realm inhabited exclusively by a well adjusted, happy people, and the sanest and most contented of them all are the well balanced folk who frequent Internet gun forums. Listen carefully and you can hear them sing charming folk songs as they go smilingly about their loving labor of creating complimentary posts. There is never a sad face in Happyland.

Alas, in his self absorption Lewis Wenzel ignores the real and most serious problem with the world. Nobody does what I want. That's a problem in dire need of immediate correction and I wish somebody would correct that glaring defect in the world right now.

Barack Obama, where are you in my time of need?
 
Lewis, what is it that the mods stop us from doing??

Being vulgar
personal attacks
lying
unfounded comments???

It sounds like you want the THR to be a free for all. As a member of other forums where crap flies all the time, it's nice to come here to get real gun information from some very smart people.. You may not agree with whats said but if you have facts to back up your thoughts put it out there and have a rational discussion. If you want *^#(&^(@&, I would suggest the THR may not be the place for you..

JMO

C
 
Secondly, the action to delete this section of you 'good feel' contribution thread that is at the top of probably the most heavily traveled section of the board and send it down here demonstrates an interesting tactic. It is not surprising.
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Then you won't be surprised that I place it in a more frequently traveled forum, as that seems to be your desire.

I probably won't spend a great deal of time here, as one can consume a great deal of time in self-entertainment on internet boards. As my interests are more in the area of long-range precision shooting and various black rifles, there are other boards where such areas of interest are more capably discussed. This board's membership and discussions are more entry-level or hobbyist level, though I'm sure there are exceptions. But that is beside the point.
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Different needs for different people Lewis.

Many proficient shooters seek to pass on their knowledge to neophytes. Others see themselves as so vastly superior that neophytes do not deserve to be in their presence. The High Road is a forum for neophytes. We promote responsible gun ownership, and we do not discriminate between members regardless of their level of experience. We protect and foster those who chose to become aquainted with firearms and the second amendment for whatever reason. Some well known and very experienced shooters join us at The High Road in that endeavor. You do not have to do so. Nobody is asking you to. We do ask that you not be condescending towards others here. If you can't seem to manage that, I'm sure you can find a forum that suits you better. If you can't, then start up your own. That's the beauty of the internet.

Your board, your rules, your bills.
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Yep. But if you think The High Road has value, you are welcome to contribute. There is no requirement to do so. The High Road will continue to prosper without your donation, and you can continue to enjoy it as long as you abide by our rules.

Threads are closed for a multitude of reasons. They can be split for a multitude of reasons as well. One reason to split a thread is to keep from having to close an otherwise beneficial thread once it has been thrown off course. That is what occured in this case.

Please restrain your collective urges to comment further....this IS a dead horse.
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Nope. You decided to come into a thread giving members an opportunity to donate and begin griping about the moderation of the forum and stating why you refuse to donate. You go on to tell us how The High Road is the laughing stock of the internet gun scene, and proceed to call moderators childish.

No sir. I think I will comment. I think I will also move your new thread to an area where it will get greater traffic, since that is what you apparently desire.
 
Well, the only problem I have with this board is that there's (1) no general forum (what forum doesn't have one other than THR?) and that (2) every kind of intolerance is not allowed here unless it's an anti-liberal comment.
 
Mr. Wetzel:
Respectfully, sir, the thread began fairly harmlessly with you stepping up and voicing your opinion. Cool.

However, as it progressed, your syntax became more and more rude, antagonistic, and condescending. The payoff is what, please?

The capper for me personally was when, after being called to the carpet, you attempted to assume the role of the victim.

It would take a wiser man than myself to understand this.

Just my 2/100ths of a buck.
 
I've seen threads get locked for what I would consider little reason. It happens, and to say it doesn't is to turn a blind eye. I have my own opinion as to who seems to do this more often than others, but I realize that it's not my call to make...all I can do is look elsewhere to continue what may have been an interesting and helpful topic. And I'm well aware that threads veer off topic sometimes. With such a large membership, many of whom can't follow up on threads everyday, would it not be better for a Mod to steer the thread back on topic so those wanting to contribute could do so?

I've been around here for a few years now; I've contributed to threads, I've donated money a few times and I used to organize local THR shoots (unofficially of course - I never claimed to be anything other than a THR user wanting to hang out with other THR users)

Lewis is correct that a lot of people have a similar opinion to his. I've heard it before and I usually dismiss it since this isn't my forum and I generally respect the wishes of its owner.

But to the people who are so quick to be offended by Lewis' comments I'd ask you to take into consideration what he is saying, not particularly how he has said it. He thinks there's a problem. Should we dismiss him immediately because
A: he's new
B: he's stringing together his complaint with a threat to not donate :scrutiny:
C: The way he's presented his point is offensive to some

Now I realize what THR's mission is, and I realize that THR is not a business mandated to make a profit. But like any good business, complaints should be investigated and dealt with if need be.

The board's mission succeeds when the membership grows and when the members feel comraderie. I used to use this forum to rally up the troops to fight all of Maryland's bad legislation and to hold events. But in the past year, the number of consistent MD users has plummeted. Now of course I'm not saying that "overmoderation" is to blame, but something is keeping these people away. Heck even my friend Chris (P95Carry) rarely visits anymore.

So before we all get our panties in a wad, let's not attack the messenger;let's try to see if there's any validity to his message.

Just my 2 cents. Thank you all for keeping the forum standards up and for the great service the forum provides.
 
Then you won't be surprised that
I place it in a more frequently traveled forum,
as that seems to be your desire.
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I'm liking this ...

Best mud wrestling tournament
I've seen on THR in some time.

Please, carry on.

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Now, isn't this interesting.

The Mods bisect this portion of a thread that was part of a thread about contributions to THR, Page FOUR of that thread, if I remember correctly.

Then, evidently, Mods get THEIR panties in a wad and cut the thread segment from the main thread and send it down to 'Technical Whatever'...

THEN, for some unknown reason, decide to resurrect the thread segment AS IF I STARTED A SEPARATE THREAD HERE IN this forum.

WHAT A BUNCH OF CLOWNS. And to think the point I was trying to make was that Mods here were arbitrary and capricious.

Well, Laaa teee frickin' daaaaaa.....

Who'd a thunk it....What a collection of self-serving a$$sholes. Trying to distort something to make themselves look different or better. Distorting the truth of the matter in order to make look like I was starting a thread to be a S**t
T stirrer.....You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Pathetic.
 
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Rob87
Well, the only problem I have with this board is that there's (1) no general forum (what forum doesn't have one other than THR?) and that (2) every kind of intolerance is not allowed here unless it's an anti-liberal comment.
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Well, Rob, you've been with us since late April. During that time, you've seen the Legal & Political forum go through a transformation and become simply the Legal forum. If you were reading the forum during that period, you probably have a pretty good sense of why that happened.

Some time before that -- and before I, myself, became a member here -- we had something called "The Round Table," which was a general discussion forum. The site owner (Oleg) decided that, in the interests of maintaining the primary purpose of The High Road, the Round Table forum would be closed here, and moved to another "sister" site, Armed Polite Society (or APS -- you'll find the link in the upper right-hand corner of the page). Oleg owns both sites. The mod staffs are different and have their own personalities. If you haven't already been over to APS, you should go check it out. You'll see many of the same "faces" over there.

When the Political side of L&P was closed, it was moved over to APS so that such discussions could continue without disrupting the primary discussion traffic of firearms-related topics -- guns, gun rights, gun control, gun laws, and so on.

Rob, I can understand how it might puzzle you that we are intolerant of intolerance here -- and yet seem to tolerate intolerance of the philosophy most committed to destroying gun rights.

It's hard to be perfect. Not every political remark is going to get caught in the mod nets, not every jab at public figures who are on record as actively infringing on the RKBA. Where possible, we try to keep the discussion to principles.

You might be surprised to hear that we get complaints from people on both philosophical sides that we're allowing slander of their beliefs/policies/candidates/etc. -- and in fact we've had people get indignant on both sides, complaining about the same exact post!

Oh, well. Sometimes you just can't win.

We strive to uphold the standards.

In the end, take what you can use, and leave the rest.
 
WHAT A BUNCH OF CLOWNS. And to think the point I was trying to make was that Mods here were arbitrary and capricious.

Well, Laaa teee frickin' daaaaaa.....

Who'd a thunk it....What a collection of self-serving a$$sholes. Trying to distort something to make themselves look different or better. Distorting the truth of the matter in order to make look like I was starting a thread to be a S**t
T stirrer.....You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
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And that should do it.

We don't allow namecalling at The High Road.

FWIW, sir, you were attempting to hijack the original thread regarding donations. If you do not wish to donate, there is absolutely no reason to post why you do not wish to donate. Simply do not donate. Instead, you decided to attempt to take the thread off on a tangent regarding why you do not wish to donate. That merited a thread of it's own. Thus your portion was turned into a thread of it's own instead of being simply deleted. It was moved to the appropriate forum, and you complained about that. So, it was moved back here.

We ask that our members abide by our few rules. We all agreed to them when we registered. I will post them here.
There are only a few house rules:

1.) All topics and posts must be related to firearms or civil liberties issues.
2.) Multiple user registrations are prohibited.
3.) As a family-friendly board, we ask that you keep your language clean. If you wouldn't say it in front of your dear old Grandma, you probably don't want to say it here.
4.) Spamming, trolling, flaming, and personal attacks are prohibited. You can disagree with other members, even vehemently, but it must be done in a well-mannered form. Attack the argument, not the arguer.
5.) We cannot provide a comprehensive list of "Things Not To Say".Posts that are contrary to the above policies, or to the mission of The High Road, may be edited or deleted at our sole discretion. Membership may be revoked if such a step is deemed necessary by us. We're a private venture enabled by an all-volunteer staff. Please treat this venue as a polite discussion in a friend's home and respect the wishes of the hosts.
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If you are unable to abide by our rules, you may find another forum, or you may start your own
 
Since the internet is essentially free and unregulated, an unmoderated forum will quickly sink to the lowest common denominator.
The higher the standards, the more regulation that will be required, either on the front end (limiting membership) or the back end (moderation).
Contrary to the OP's assertion, this does not inhibit discussion or the free exchange of ideas. It does inhibit incivility.
As for contributing to THR, I suspect the vast majority of the registered members have not contributed, and that is fine. I don't recall any of them feeling compelled to explain themselves.
As for me, I will not waste my time in forums that don't maintain high standards.
 
4.) Spamming, trolling, flaming, and personal attacks are prohibited. You can disagree with other members, even vehemently, but it must be done in a well-mannered form. Attack the argument, not the arguer.
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That's the best thing about this forum. Is at an infringement of free speech to intervene when a technical subject digresses into childish namecalling or diverges so far from the original subject that the thread title becomes meaningless? I think not. Most of us here prefer to have left that kind of behavior back in our pre-secondary days.
I've freqented various forums over the last few years and my observation is that the best way to lose old members and turn off new ones is undermoderation. Mistakes will be made. Sometimes the mods may appear to favor some members over others and seem heavy handed at other times but their job is not an easy one. Sort of like being a parent I guess.
The internet is big enough that you should have no problem finding a forum suited to your tastes. Oleg pays the bills here and Oleg can run the place as he sees fit.
 
Here is my two cents for what it is worth.

1. I don't need a "general discussion" section on THR. I can get that at any one of thousands of boards out there. That is not why I come here.

2. I read the rules when I signed up. I knew coming into this what was expected of me, as a member. I agreed to those rules when I went ahead and confirmed my membership.

3. I am a guest at the owners "house", and I treat this as such. I wouldn't just walk into someones home and do what I darn well pleased. And I won't do it here. And I certainly don't go crying when I am not allowed to do what I want.

4. I have never once seen a thread locked for no reason. If it is against the rules, it is closed. Pretty simple. Play by the rules or go play somewhere else.

JMHO
 
I'm new here as well and I kind of appreciate the way the threads are kept civil and meaningful. I have been a moderator of different forums and I can tell you it's not the most fun job. Everyone takes exception to something and you can't please everyone all the time. I come here to learn, meet other shootists in a virtual way, and try to add useful content when I can.

Basically, if you don't like the way this site is run - don't visit...
 
One of the other two forums I belong to is much tougher than this. People who pull this kind of crap disappear in the night! That (A bass players' site) and THR are the best to be at. There is no garbage on the street, rusty junk cars parked in the front yards are towed, and people who pee on the sidewalk are escorted back home. I think it is time.

I think the moderators here do just fine. Thank you guys.
 
"How about constructive discussion and open minded approach to the high road moderation and policies."

I suppose it might be useful to new members and forgetful old members, but it has been done more than once. Here are just a few of the results I obtained by searching with "moderators, thread, closing."

http://www.thehighroad.org/search.php?searchid=3366014

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=291665&highlight=moderators+thread+closing

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=255478&highlight=moderators+thread+closing

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=242942&highlight=moderators+thread+closing

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=215893&highlight=moderators+thread+closing
 
I like THR and the mods are as varied as the members. I have no idea how
THR is run or how mods are chosen/christened/knighted or whatever. However,
if THR was run like our current US political system, how much would I have
to donate to THR to become a mod. Also, how much more would I have to
donate to become a Captain among the mods with the power to censure other
mods and delete their posts?

Yes, this is my usual satire all of you have come to know and love or hate, but
it's the same I've used to put anti-2As in their places all these years. A tool
is still a tool. :)
 
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