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Discussion in 'Shooting Gear and Storage' started by SilentStalker, Sep 30, 2014.

  1. SilentStalker

    SilentStalker Well-Known Member

    I am getting a new safe and am placing it in a finished room downstairs that has that composite hardwood flooring stuff on top of a concrete slab with a moisture barrier in between. I have heard of needing to provide a way for air to flow underneath a safe to prevent rust and whatnot. Do you guys think i will be ok placing this safe directly on the fake hardwood stuff or does it need to somehow be sitting on top of something to allow airflow? Thanks for the help.
  2. ColtPythonElite

    ColtPythonElite Well-Known Member

    I used a piece of indoor/outdoor carpet trimmed to fit for a safe cushion. I placed it pile side down. I can easily slide the safe to move it....I have no damage to my solid hardwood floors.
  3. a1abdj

    a1abdj Well-Known Member

    I can tell you what I do, but I'm always curious with these types of questions. What does the company/person selling you the safe suggest?
  4. SilentStalker

    SilentStalker Well-Known Member

    ^^^I really do not remember exactly, but I think they said I would be fine and not to worry about it. But, I fully intend to talk to them again before it is delivered.
  5. a1abdj

    a1abdj Well-Known Member

    Things can be different from one part of the country to the next. Humidity levels, floors on slabs (as opposed to around here where most homes have basements), etc. I would take their advice since they know your area the best.

    Around here, we put self adhesive felt pads on the corners, and then set it on the floor. This allows a bit of air circulation beneath the safe, protects the floor, and still allows enough expansion and contraction.
  6. SilentStalker

    SilentStalker Well-Known Member

    Well, it will be in a finished part of the basement in a closet of our new den which has the laminate flooring which is on top of a moisture barrier on top of the concrete. They haven't said anything about putting anything down but perhaps they will. Right now I am not extremely happy with them as I was told that they would deliver on Saturdays and now I am being told they will only do it during the week and it seems like they keep coming up with excuses not to deliver. If I don't get a decent response soon I will be canceling the transaction.
  7. Arp32

    Arp32 Well-Known Member

    If you do put some spacers underneath it, just remember more surface area is your friend. You want to spread that load over more than just 4 or 10 square inches.
  8. SilentStalker

    SilentStalker Well-Known Member

    What do you guys think? Place something under it or set it straight down on the laminate? I really have no idea what to do in this case.
  9. HRnightmare

    HRnightmare Well-Known Member

    I also put it on top of carpet on top of tile. It will protect the tile in the event you move it AND it will allow airflow to continue.
  10. oneounceload

    oneounceload member

    You can always get the heavy-duty furniture glide felt pieces from Lowes and put 4-8 under your safe (felt side down) that should work
  11. Stony

    Stony Well-Known Member

    All things considered barring a flood, your safe shouldn't rust through within the next couple hundred years. I've had them sitting on concrete in a garage, on concrete inside a house, on carpet, on tile....and never seen any sign of rust.
  12. PistolPete45

    PistolPete45 Well-Known Member

    Condensation would be the problem .. here is a good solution by my thinking . I have mine on the floor carpet and no cement slab underneath .. I do wish I had a riser of say 4 to 6 inches so I would not have to go so low to stack ammo on the one side . just an idea for you to consider.. I love the carpet to slide on as well that is inspired ... I use 1/2 inch PVC pipe kind of like the old Egyptian rollers for pyramid blocks .
  13. a1abdj

    a1abdj Well-Known Member

    We just moved a safe the other day that was being stored in a basement. It had been there for 5 years, and was just about rusted through. One of the worst cases I have ever seen. It appears as if the condensation from a vent running above the safe was dripping onto it, running down the back, and settling beneath it.
  14. SilentStalker

    SilentStalker Well-Known Member

    So, what are you all's thoughts? The dealer I bought it from said that I could place it on top of some meter sticks, but that was about all I got from them. I am not sure how one does this and still bolts it to the floor securely unless your meter sticks were around the bolts but obviously then it would be off the ground which is what we want, however, it seems to me that this would compromise the bolts some since you could then get tooling underneath the safe at that point. I mean I am kind of thinking that the laminate flooring and moisture barrier between the safe and the concrete should be sufficient but I really have no clue.
  15. dragon813gt

    dragon813gt Well-Known Member

    How much weight can the flooring bear per square inch? This is going to determine what you place underneath it. If it's like concrete all you need is some washers around the edge to get it off the ground. But I doubt the floor can bear the weight in such a small area.
  16. CB900F

    CB900F Well-Known Member


    Is this location going to be permanent? Do you want to bolt the unit down? Or, do you see the unit being moved? When those questions are answered, I think better advice can be given.

  17. SilentStalker

    SilentStalker Well-Known Member

    Well, I would like it to be permanent and bolted to the floor. However, we will most likely he moving in a couple of years and the next homeowners might not like holes drilled through the floor for this thing. That's why I am stuck on doing that or not. I do have some extra of the flooring though if the next owners did have a problem with it and wanted to replace that section of the closet. It would be a pain to do though but it could be done if they so desired. What do you all think? Bolt it down or no? Off the ground or no? One thing I do want to consider is how I am going to get this thing back up on a pallet jack once it is off the skid!
  18. CapnMac

    CapnMac Well-Known Member

    Well, there are some variables here to account for.

    One we can eliminate is any concern for future buyers--"hurts resale value" is hogwash. If someone want to buy your house when you put it on the market, they are buying it entire, whether the countertops are granite or laminate; or if there are some expansion bolts in the basement floor.

    If you are deeply concerned, buy an extra box of laminate flooring and store it in a basement closet.

    Now, the floor of the basement will be an issue. many basements are built with only a 3" slab which rests on the footer under the foundation walls. That can be a challenge, for being so thin, to get expansion bolts into. (One of those challenges is in not drilling clean through the slab, which will punch through the vapor barrier under the slab.)

    Expansion anchors (which are a uniform diameter until expanded) are much easier to cope with for being able to (mostly) run them in from inside the safe.

    Come a time they need removing, you can (often) just back the threaded portion clean out of the anchor, leaving a relatively flush hole in the floor.
  19. sage5907

    sage5907 Well-Known Member

    If I was concerned about the moisture under the safe I would buy a sheet of 1/2 inch marine grade plywood and cut a piece the exact same size as the bottom of the safe. I would give the plywood a coat of oil based primer and a coat of latex paint the same color as the safe. That way you don't have to worry about moisture getting to the metal. Once the safe is set on the plywood I would drill 1/2 inch holes through the concrete and install 3 or 4 anchor wedges to secure the safe to the floor. If you move the safe later you can drive the anchor wedge bolts on through the concrete and seal the holes. Once a wedge is expanded it can be driven down with a punch but it can't be pulled up. Capnmac makes a good point about not drilling the holes completely through the slab because of the moisture barrier and if you can accomplish this they make some bolts that screw directly into the concrete that can be removed later. I have an in-garage storm shelter that's attached to the floor by this method. The wedges are much stronger. As a final note, I'm wondering how you plan to get the safe into the basement, and if you get it down there how are you going to get it back out again? The reason the seller may not be cooperative is that he told his delivery people that you wanted it in the basement. They told him to deliver it himself!
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2014
  20. SilentStalker

    SilentStalker Well-Known Member

    Haha. I guess my definition of the basement is not the same as you guys. It's really a finished portion of the garage and I call it the basement because it is below the main level of the house. It's not a basement in the true sense of the word where the only way down to it is down some stairs. The safe will be wheeled into place with a pallet jack most likely straight from the garage. It's all on the same level. No problems with going up or down stairs.

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