chas08
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I'm thinking of putting a Williams 5D reciever sight on my Ted williams 100 (Win.94) and getting rid of the semi-buckhorns that are on there now. Any thoughts pro or con appreciated.
Williams 5D Reciever sight
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Vern Humphrey
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I've had a Williams 5D on my Winchester Model 94 for 44 years now -- and it has never failed to deliver.
rcmodel
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Thought #1 - Do It! It will easily cut your group size in half.
Thought #2 - Spring for the much nicer & click adjustable Williams Foolproof sight.
rc
Thought #2 - Spring for the much nicer & click adjustable Williams Foolproof sight.
rc
SwampWolf
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If you're not planning on making many sight adjustments, the 5D should work just fine. I'm old enough to have bought my 5D for my Marlin 39 when they sold for five bucks-new! I do prefer the versatility of the Fool Proofs and have several of them mounted on some lever-actions as well as an older Remington 760-though they are considerably pricier (but worth it imo).
Vern Humphrey
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Unless you're like me, and buy a set of dies for the difference in price, develop one load, zero the rifle once and stick with it for the next 45 years.
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chas08
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Thanks for the input. The reason for the change is; my 54 year old eyes see much better beyond arms reach than inside arms reach. The front blade is focused and the rear sight is a blur. It makes for difficult and slow sight alignment. Will these help that? I still enjoy hunting with iron sights under the right circumstances but it has been becoming increasingly more difficult over the last few years. More/all input is welcome.
Vern Humphrey
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You betcha aperture sights will help that. In fact, you can get an adjustable eye piece and experiment with it -- you'll find a setting that makes you think your eyes are 16 again.
Asherdan
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What Vern & RC said. You might want the FP if you're going to be fooling around with different loads, but the 5D is great. For hunting, I like the .125" Twilight aperture with the brass ring around the rim. The .093" that come standard is pretty good for most uses but I like the Twilight one better than just unscrewing the insert and going bare for low light.
Bula
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I have both the FP-TK and the 5d's. Windage adjustments on the 5D's are kind of a pain, but for me windage stays fixed and different loads require only elevation adjustments. The target knob FP's are nice, but they are significantly spendier. Either will be an improvement over factory sights. If you're ordering online, make sure you order the dovetail filler to drift in once you drift out your rear sight.
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chas08
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I did just that, a few minutes ago from Midway. I went with the 5D partly because of the price difference and because this gun lives on a diet of 150 gr Federal Power Shok ammo sighted in 2" high at 100yds. I doubt I will need the adjustment feature much after sighting in if it holds zero as good as the reviews stated. Thanks for all the input....chas
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chas08
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I got my new Williams sight and installed it with no issues. It seems to be a very quality piece of work. The dove tail blank did require some fitting, but looks a lot better than the empty slot. I hope to get it to the range in the next couple of weeks. Dove Hunting is my immediate priority. Any input on what size apertures work best under certain conditions. I'm going back east to hunt Whitetail in some dense woods in the fall.
rcmodel
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No aperature at all works great in dim dark woods.
When you take the aperature clear out, the threaded hole on the sight becomes a "Ghost Ring" sight.
If you must have an aperature, then the one with the biggest hole in it will work best in the woods.
The one with the tiny hole is for shooting targets on bright sunny days.
rc
When you take the aperature clear out, the threaded hole on the sight becomes a "Ghost Ring" sight.
If you must have an aperature, then the one with the biggest hole in it will work best in the woods.
The one with the tiny hole is for shooting targets on bright sunny days.
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Vern Humphrey
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There's a trick you can use -- saw the dovetail off the original sight and leave it in the slot.
SwampWolf
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But as has been explained earlier a couple of times in this thread, if the owner doesn't plan on making continual adjustments to the sight, then the 5D will serve the purpose just fine. There is no downside to the FoolProof as compared to the 5D except its higher price. But its price is substantially higher and that will make a significant difference to some shooters, especially if they plan on sighting the rifle in with a specific load and not changing the sight (at least not very often) later.
rbernie
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I'm with rcmodel - I run no aperture at all and use the rear as a ghost ring sight. Inside of 150 yards or so, it's all the sight that I need.
Asherdan
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Open works fine, as said.
Other ones I've used are the .125 for low light, the .093 is the standard one that ships with it and the .050 is for target work. A guy could make do just fine with only the standard .093.
Other ones I've used are the .125 for low light, the .093 is the standard one that ships with it and the .050 is for target work. A guy could make do just fine with only the standard .093.
CaliCoastie
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love the williams sights, have them on most of my rifles. if your on a budget go for the
5D, if you can afford it go for the foolproof. i have about 4 FP's on different rifles, but on my 336-44 marlin i have the 5d, not worried about adjusting it, but kinda wish i had went the FP route. An FP is easy to adjust, the 5D just takes care to adjust not hard just care.
5D, if you can afford it go for the foolproof. i have about 4 FP's on different rifles, but on my 336-44 marlin i have the 5d, not worried about adjusting it, but kinda wish i had went the FP route. An FP is easy to adjust, the 5D just takes care to adjust not hard just care.
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The 5D is nice, Now get a Merit adjustable peep disc and you can adjust to prevailing light as needed.
SleazyRider
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Novice questions
If you'll permit me 2 questions about using the Williams FP on my 1980's Winchester 94 XTR:
1. The upper left side of my receiver has two tiny screws in the area in which the sight gets mounted. Are these threaded holes put there for the purpose of mounting the sight, or do they serve some other purpose?
2. Must I change out the hooded front sight when using the Williams FP sight?
I appreciate your advice!
If you'll permit me 2 questions about using the Williams FP on my 1980's Winchester 94 XTR:
1. The upper left side of my receiver has two tiny screws in the area in which the sight gets mounted. Are these threaded holes put there for the purpose of mounting the sight, or do they serve some other purpose?
2. Must I change out the hooded front sight when using the Williams FP sight?
I appreciate your advice!
Vern Humphrey
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They are there for mounting a receiver sight -- get one that is made for your rifle, and it will simply screw on.
No. The FP will do fine with your existing front sight.
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chas08
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I got my 30/30 sighted in yesterday. I found the 5D very easy to adjust, but it did require two different size screwdrivers.
My three shot group off of sandbags was about 1.5" @ 100 yds, not too shabby for irons. I hadn't shot peep sights since my military days it was sort of like riding a bicycle, you never forget how. I think I am really going to like these.
I wish my Rossi 92 .44 mag. was drilled and tapped for them already, it would be wearing a set too. Any one out there ever had a Rossi drilled and tapped for a Williams sight? Mine is an older model made before the "Lawyers safety" came about.
My three shot group off of sandbags was about 1.5" @ 100 yds, not too shabby for irons. I hadn't shot peep sights since my military days it was sort of like riding a bicycle, you never forget how. I think I am really going to like these.
I wish my Rossi 92 .44 mag. was drilled and tapped for them already, it would be wearing a set too. Any one out there ever had a Rossi drilled and tapped for a Williams sight? Mine is an older model made before the "Lawyers safety" came about.
Vern Humphrey
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What would your local gunsmith charge to drill and tap your Rossi?
If I were buying a new lever action, I'd factor in the sights and the installation as part of the cost of the gun.
You might also consider a tang sight on the Rossi -- this is a folding peep mounted on the tang. They were quite popular back in the days when the Model 92 was popular.
If I were buying a new lever action, I'd factor in the sights and the installation as part of the cost of the gun.
You might also consider a tang sight on the Rossi -- this is a folding peep mounted on the tang. They were quite popular back in the days when the Model 92 was popular.
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