1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Winchester 95 question

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by winwun, Jun 7, 2003.

  1. winwun

    winwun Well-Known Member

    I have a friend who has a 95 Carbine and is trying to determine the caliber.

    I have one reference work that states that the 95 Carbine was in .30-30, .30-40, .303 Brit and .30-06.

    His carbine doesn't seem to be any of the above.

    On close examination of the piece, I noted that the barrel was square-cut, no crown at all, which leads me to believe that it was once a rifle, which were made in a plethora of calibers.

    Does anyone have an original carbine, and if so, does the barrel have a crown, or is it also square cut ?
  2. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    I once had a '95 Carbine. IIRC, the muzzle was pretty much square cut. This one was a saddle ring carbine, and in .30-'03. It had US Military proof marks, but I don't recall how the chambering was labelled. ".30 U.S. Gov't.", maybe?

  3. jmbg29

    jmbg29 member

    If it is an original M1895 carbine, it should have a top handguard over the barrel.

    Are there any U.S. government markings on it?

    What is the barrel's length?

    What is the Serial number? Use Xs instead of the actual last 2 numbers, e.g. 23XX.

    Is the frame/reciever fluted or ridge contoured?

    Does it have a saddle ring?

    Are there any Russian ordinance marks on it?

    What sort of sights are on it?
  4. Mike Irwin

    Mike Irwin Well-Known Member

    Best way to determine the caliber is to have a chamber cast made.

    I'm not finding any indication that the Carbine was made in .30-40 Krag, just .30-03, .30-06, and .303.

    The 1895s that I've handled and shot don't have a square cut muzzle. They don't have much of a crown, either.
  5. jmbg29

    jmbg29 member

    Fjestad's Blue Book of Gun Values 22nd edition

    I have the new one around here somewhere. lol

    I agree that a chamber cast is the only way to be sure. If someone screwed around with the barrel, they might also have done something to the chamber.
  6. Mike Irwin

    Mike Irwin Well-Known Member


    Nope, no indication of that chambering in my 11th edition of the Blue Book.

    It's so old, however, that maybe Winchester hadn't yet produced the 1895 in .30-40 when my copy of the Blue Book was printed? :)
  7. BigG

    BigG Well-Known Member

    Plenty of 7.62 X 54 Russian Model 95s were made. Think it was the most plentiful caliber. C&R Sam would know. The carbine had a short handguard like a M1 Carbine.
  8. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    Don't cry, Mike, but I've seen the retail $ for the 23rd Fjestad at $39.95! Just think of it as $3 a year...

    The carbine is supposed to have a 22" round barrel.

  9. Leaky Waders

    Leaky Waders Well-Known Member

    according to The History of Winchester Firearms 1866-1992

    the picture of the carbine has a barrel band w/ mabe 4 inches of stock going past the band towards the muzzle (guess from the pic)

    the text also says carbines and muskets were made in solid frame only...whatever that means...it looks as if it has to do w/ the foregrip...an underbarrel foregrip verus afully enclosed foregrip.

    chambers available...
    30-40 krag 1896
    38-72 winchester 1896
    40-72 winchester 1896
    303 british 1898
    35 winchester 1903
    405 winchester 1904
    30 goverment m/03 1905
    30 goverment m/06 1908

    in 1915-1916 293,816 muskets were chambered for 7.62mm russian for the imperial russian army.
  10. jmbg29

    jmbg29 member

    That may well be.

    I have a neighbor that has one in .30/40 Krag. I have a deluxe take-down M1895 rifle in .405 W.C.F., hence my interest in them.
    Almost 300,000 of them made for the Russian Imperial Army. The commies got them a couple of years later. :scrutiny: :uhoh: :barf: :banghead:
  11. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    The full-length rifles were made in the long shopping list of cartridges. The carbines, only the previously mentioned foursome.

  12. Mike Irwin

    Mike Irwin Well-Known Member

    Solid frame means that the gun wasn't a take down model.
  13. winwun

    winwun Well-Known Member

    Thanks, guys, for the thoughtful and insightful replies.

    Now, would someone guide me to a source for the "chamber mold" material ?

    Instructions for use will come with the "kit", hopefully.
  14. dodge

    dodge Well-Known Member

    I have an orginal Winchester Model 95 in 30-40 Krag that is a carbine but without the handguard. From what I can find out this rifle was made in 1926. The chambering markings which is on the bridge of the action just in front of the bolt says .30 Army this is also on the barrel. Mine also is squared off and not crowned. THe only thing that I wished it had is the saddle ring which was removed to place a Lyman Model 21 ( so called climbing) aperature sight on to it. This rifle was my father's and when he was alive that is all he ever used for deer hunting as long as I can remember.
  15. Leaky Waders

    Leaky Waders Well-Known Member

    "Solid frame means that the gun wasn't a take down model."

    Doh...I'm an idiot...thanks Mike.

  16. Jim Watson

    Jim Watson Well-Known Member

    Isn't the fool thing marked for caliber?
    A better description or picture would help a lot.
    I have three period Winchesters, although none a '95, and all have flat muzzles.
    If it has a stripper clip guide arching over the rear of the action, it is a Russian, if not, it is Something Else.

    The chamber cast material you need is Cerrosafe and Brownell's sells it with instructions for use. It is a bismuth alloy that you can melt in a double boiler.

    Madis says the standard calibers for carbines were .30-03, .30-06, and .303; and then shows a picture of a carbine in .30 U.S., which is another term for .30-40 Krag, allee samee .30 Army. He also has a picture of a carbine without handguard like Dodge's dad's.
  17. dodge

    dodge Well-Known Member

    If you can find a copy of a magazine put out by the "Rifle" magazine called "The Legacy of Lever Guns" get it. In it there is a pretty good article about the Mod. 1895 giving some of the history behind this rifle. Also in the back they give manufactoring dates according to serial numbers for Winchester Models 73,76,86,92,94,95 and 71. For the Model 94 it ends in the year 1983. This may help you in finding what year it was manufactured.
  18. BigG

    BigG Well-Known Member

    On the old Winchesters, here's a rule of thumb

    .30 US Army = 30/40 Krag

    .30 US Govt = 30/06
  19. Gordon

    Gordon Well-Known Member

    I got one that was Sam Peckinpaw's. It is 7mm Mauser and so marked. It supposedly came out of mexico from a General into Sam's hands during filming of one of his movies down there. Somebody went to alot of trouble to make the thing look factory, including Winchester looking roll markings. It shoots good but not stellar, I think it was a redone 30-03 from my research.:)

Share This Page