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Witch Hunt: Newspaper publishes Google Map of NY Gun Permit Owners

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by John828, Dec 24, 2012.

  1. ephraimf

    ephraimf New Member

    Aug 20, 2009
    This is exactly like a sex offender's list. If you read the article you will see that it starts off talking about a murder committed by a mentally ill person owning illegal handguns, and talks about how people should be informed so that they won't unknowingly move to an area where people have legal guns.

    This is a link to the article which referernces the maps: http://www.lohud.com/article/20121223/NEWS04/312230056/
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2012
  2. bushmaster1313

    bushmaster1313 Senior Member

    Oct 26, 2008
    Peoples Republik of New Jersey
    Under the New York Personal Privacy Act:

    Here are the prohibited act:

    Civil action available for those who are outed:

    I think we have oodles and oodles of civil actions awaiting, unless the disclosure of this type of information is authorized by statute.

    Could also be conspiracy to violate civil rights
  3. OilyPablo

    OilyPablo Senior Member

    Sep 2, 2012
    WA State (NOT in Seattle)
    The author and the people he cites act like it's some kind of completely scary thing. Oh my God my neighbors are exercising a right in the Constitution......
  4. texasgun

    texasgun Member

    Nov 8, 2012
    only 4 (!) gun permits in ALL of manhattan? and only a few in Queens? C'mon.... not sure what database he used but that awfully incomplete....
  5. sidheshooter

    sidheshooter Participating Member

    Dec 30, 2007
    I have the opposite view as those that see this as a list of places not to rob: it may well be a list of places not to invade, or burgle at night, but it is also a shopping list for thieves who specialize in waiting until a target goes to work.

    Curse that paper. I hope a lack of subscribers takes them down.
  6. fanchisimo

    fanchisimo Active Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    Central Missouri
    The accuracy of the list isn't the issue, if even one person on that list is accurate, their privacy is being violated.
  7. berettaprofessor

    berettaprofessor Participating Member

    Mar 25, 2008
    You know, you'd think the newspaper editor would be a little afraid to put out information like that.
  8. jason41987

    jason41987 member

    Apr 10, 2012
    interesting that you use the term "witch-hunt" as in the 1600s, the witch hunts were spread by two things... first, a small group of people began to spread rumors about supposed witches, claiming they would kidnap and eat babies, or boil them up into potions.... well, the left wing media is using the connecticut shooting as an analog to this 17th century story

    so out of the complete and utter 17th century ignorance, these stories and rumors heard by the uneducated and irrational combined with their complete fear and cowardess of the unkown, of the things they couldnt explain lead to the wrongful persecution and murder of many, many people

    so i completely agree with the term "witch hunt".. and what this newspaper made an attempt at doing was make formal accusations of who are the witches in this mess hoping the people will march to their houses with torches and pitchforks because the people who wrote the article is too spineless to confront them theirselves
  9. browneu

    browneu Active Member

    Mar 26, 2004
    I'm not familiar with New York but how many dots are in perceived "good" areas compared to "bad" areas.

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  10. cheesebigot

    cheesebigot New Member

    Jan 26, 2011
    The Southwest
    Not that I'm advocating it, but you can take the Google map object from the page source and reverse geocode it via a client-side Javascript run into a locally written file.

    (Un?)fortunately, Google only allows 2500 calls of that API call per day per IP, so it'd take a few days to aggregate everything, but it most certainly can (and probably has been) done.

    Good data in bad hands is worse than bad data in good hands.
  11. Screamin'Eagle

    Screamin'Eagle New Member

    Apr 26, 2010
    Twin Cities, MN
    Sorry, didn't see link. I hope all of these permit holders find retribution in the courts.
    Last edited: Dec 24, 2012
  12. r1derbike

    r1derbike Active Member

    Oct 4, 2012
    Northwest Arkansas
    Hmmm...class action lawsuit(s)? There have been many incidents of this happening elsewhere. Memphis hangs in memory, for some reason.
  13. gamestalker

    gamestalker member

    Sep 10, 2008
    SW Arizona
    Back in the 1990's when I lived in South Dakota they would publish the names and address of anyone who had passed their CWP test. So the burglar knows who owns a handgun I guess?
  14. Ratshooter

    Ratshooter Senior Member

    Sep 27, 2007
    I think the best way to thank this publisher would be to post his name, where he lives and his wifes name. Also the names of his children and where they go to school. If his wife works, where does she work and what times are his house empty. Does HE own a gun? If not he is not a threat to a BG. His home # and cell # would be nice too. Pictures of him, his wife and kids would be just great.

    Then that SOB can see what its like to be on the receiving end of public exposure.
  15. k_dawg

    k_dawg Active Member

    Sep 11, 2005
  16. goldie

    goldie Active Member

    Oct 19, 2006
    This is the most f-up thing i have seen yet. living on long island, i dont see a red dot on my town,not yet luckily. nys has a 6 month wait, with backround checks, letters of reference,why dont they make a map of all the convicted child molesters & rapists.no instead, its law abiding citizens who went through one of the most rigorous backround checks & charactor references & investigations in the country.why should that be publicly accessed records,that makes no sense. all these names are in the pistol section of the police dept?Now im pissed.....
  17. MilsurpShooter

    MilsurpShooter Participating Member

    Feb 3, 2005
    Under a rock somewhere
    I wrote the NRA awhile back when they first pulled a stunt like this. This one's the second, the first time they went to the county with Freedom of Information acts, got all the registered gun owners on a list and put it up in a searchable excel document with name's and street names (but they redacted the towns out of the goodness of their heart)

    Reason they had back then? An apparent loophole in NYS gun laws that made firearms that were being passed down by deceased family members lost track of in the registration.

    NRA pretty much told me nothing they could do about it because it's New York.

    The comment section of the web page has gone to facebook status because of the debates people were having, where some "people" decided it only fair to post reporters, editor's etc personal information. Which they didn't much care for.

    The "Paper" is unbelievably anti-gun, and it almost seems as if they make issues up just to justify doing things like this.

    for the record, yes I'm a resident of that county

    In this county, the requirement for full carry is that you have to have “a special need for self-protection distinguishable from that of the general community or of persons engaged in the same profession”

    Without the license of some form (target, hunting, premise, full carry, it's a graduated license system) you are not allowed to even go into a gun store and touch a pistol.
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2012
  18. toivo

    toivo Senior Member

    May 27, 2005
    New York State
    Newtown is in Connecticut. The list is supposed to be permit holders in the counties of Westchester and Rockland in New York State. What's making me scratch my head is that there are some dots there that are clearly in other NY counties, as well as in Connecticut. How can you hold a permit from one county when you live in another county or even another state?

    There is a type of permit called "premises-only." Maybe these are the home addresses of people who have a premises-only permit for a business in Rockland or Westchester?

    Some jackass did this with all New York permits a few years ago -- not a newspaper; just a guy with a website. Also no map; just a list of names and addresses. The data wasn't at all up-to-date: One of the listed individuals was Eleanor Roosevelt of Hyde Park, NY.
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2012
  19. reggie_love

    reggie_love New Member

    Dec 15, 2012
    Sickening. They just put a "ROB ME NOW" sign on the heads of law-abiding innocents.

    I'd wish violence on the people responsible for this, but it seems that's only for anti-gun people. Therefore... I hope the editor of this rag stubs his toe and it's awful.
  20. cvoharley

    cvoharley New Member

    Jun 18, 2010
    Treasure Coast, FL
    We had a case down here in Flahrada (Florida for the Southern folk) where three kids broke in a State Trooper's home knowing full well there would be weapons inside. This is one of the reasons why I'm thankful we have some protection under the law for retired & active law enforcement.

    There is the link to the story.

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