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Woman shoots man found under her bed

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by ScottsGT, Jan 18, 2008.

  1. ScottsGT

    ScottsGT Well-Known Member


    Posted on Thu, Jan. 17, 2008
    Woman shoots man found under her bed
    The Associated Press

    LAURENS, S.C. --Authorities say a woman coming home from work shot and killed an intruder she found under her bed.

    Laurens County Sheriff Ricky Chastain says the woman heard a noise in her bedroom Monday evening and grabbed a gun when she saw a hand underneath her bed.

    Deputies say the woman fired three times as the man started to come out.

    Authorities say 23-year-old Richard Vanderford was hit in the shoulder and chest. Chastain says he was a neighbor of the woman and did not have permission to be in the home.

    The sheriff says investigators will present their findings to prosecutors to see if any charges should be filed.
  2. MrPeter

    MrPeter Well-Known Member

    wow, interesting story! Is this a good shoot? If he was a neighbor I wonder if she recognized him? Is being under someone's bed uninvited when they get home threatening enough to use deadly force?
    Interested in seeing what happens with this one.
  3. siglite

    siglite Well-Known Member

    Isn't it normally the husband who came home early that shoots the guy under the bed?
  4. ScottsGT

    ScottsGT Well-Known Member

    It is in SC :D
  5. hockeybum

    hockeybum Well-Known Member

    hmm. this one makes you think. from what i understand she came home, BG was under bed, BG started to move out towards her, she shoot. this could go either way in court though....
  6. BridgeWalker

    BridgeWalker Well-Known Member

    Wow, turns out I have a tactical bed: it's a mattress directly on the floor, for the toddler's convenience. Also no chance of intruders hiding out there. Still have closets though...

    I strongly suspect I would react the same way, though, absent other details. Entering my home without permission and hiding under my bed is indication of violent intent. I believe in most states the imminent threat of rape is considered justification for use of deadly force. Unless her bedroom is really big, she has no way of staying a safe distance away while ascertaining how he would behave next.
  7. ApexinM3

    ApexinM3 Well-Known Member

    Not enough info to pass judgment at this time. I'm curious to find the details on this one, though...
  8. NG VI

    NG VI Well-Known Member

    if my girlfriend comes home and there's a stranger in the house i hope she has the presence of mind to get one of mine.
  9. General Geoff

    General Geoff Well-Known Member

    There you have it, folks.

    The bogeyman can be persuaded; all it takes is a hot lead injection.
  10. jlpskydive

    jlpskydive Well-Known Member

    It is in NC and I don't know any of my neighbors well enough not to think that they were there to do bad things to me or my wife if found under the bed.
  11. XDKingslayer

    XDKingslayer member

    No. This was not enough for deadly force to be used. Just because a guy is in another womans home uninvited and hiding under her bed doesn't make him a bad guy. It's entirely plausible that he was there to deliver flowers or was eradicating bed bugs.

    Yes, that's sarcasm for the ones that won't get it. They're usually the same ones who question if a uninvited guy in a womans home hiding under her bed and starting come out from said bed is enough to justify deadly force...
  12. Ed Ames

    Ed Ames Well-Known Member

    Generally yes. Not so much the hiding but the being there and the coming out. Being there shows illegal entry/intent. Coming out can be threatening. Assuming the story is accurate (and he wasn't "under the 19yo daughter's bed" or something) this would be justified under California law.

    (I say CA law to avoid the assinine "the law in Texas isn't the law everywhere" comments... and because it's what I'm most familiar with.)
  13. M2 Carbine

    M2 Carbine Well-Known Member

    The guy is in her house, under her bed and there's any question if it's a "good shooting"?

    Are you guys kidding?

    What do you call justification for a "good shooting", after he rapes and kills her?:rolleyes:
  14. outfieldjack

    outfieldjack Well-Known Member

    Bang Bang Bang... wonder if he was planning on staying under there until she went to bed that night?
  15. MrPeter

    MrPeter Well-Known Member

    There is absolutely no need to be rude or condesending. I was just thinking that because they mentioned that he was a neighbor that there could have been a set of (extremely) unlikely circumstanced that led up to a reason (although probably not a good one) of why he was under that bed. Picture this: Guy gets a new puppy, it runs out of the yard, and while looking for it, he sees it run up onto the neighbors back porch and into the left-open sliding glass door, opens the door, yelling, "hello!?". Thinking no one is home and feeling wierd about it, he goes in following the puppy, and tried to get it out from under the bed.

    NO this is NOT a good reason to go into someone's home and YES you can expect to get shot if you do this. All I'm saying is that if I found someone under my bed when I got home I would definately draw, definately command them to show their hands but stay under the bed, and at least give them a second to say, "hey Peter! It's me, Doug! Don't shoot! Let me explain!"

    On the other hand, if he was coming out and wouldn't stop when she commanded, that's another story. This article clearly doesn't state enough of the facts to be able to draw a conclusion.

    In any case, you can save your sarcasm and wit for the playground.
  16. ozwyn

    ozwyn Well-Known Member

    this is why the monsters under the bed stop haunting humans after a certain age...

    sounds like a good shoot to me.
  17. MrRezister

    MrRezister Well-Known Member

    Is it a good shoot?

    I guess that depends:

    What would you want your wife/sister/mother to do if she found someone under her bed upon returning home?

    I know what I would want, but I shouldn't go into details or I might get banned.
  18. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Or give them a second to shoot you first, since you hesitated.
  19. HKUSP45C

    HKUSP45C Well-Known Member

    Oh, I disagree that the article doesn't have enough facts to draw a conclusion.

    I won't shoot someone who wants property by theft (not forcible theft just stealing stuff). However, if you enter my house with out my permission or a badge\warrant you have signed your own death warrant. I'll assume you aren't there for iced tea and a chat about the new faux hardwood floors. I'll assume you're there to do me or mine harm and will take action accordingly.

    If you cease all movement save breathing and possibly crying I'll cover you until the police arrive to escort you to the jail house. If you move I'll stop you from moving in the most expedient manner at my disposal and I'll do it with out asking you what your intentions are.

    You just don't go roaming and hiding in other peoples houses hoping not to get caught or shot. It's an unhealthy way to make a living, at least it is in my house.

    He broke in and hid, she caught him and shot him. He was wrong, she was right, regardless of the mitigating circumstances or the hypothetical puppies.
  20. Chester32141

    Chester32141 Well-Known Member

    If it's not it ought to be ...

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