Would you be interested in this type of product?

Yes or No?

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I voted "no," because I see no practical use for it. At the stated weight, it's too heavy to be readily mobile. Target acquisition would be impossible in many situations.

As stated, the only thing it would be good for is putting on a bench to shoot at a single target and shooting groups; but to what end? If you are serious enough about benchrest to sink that much money (I'm guessing that this isn't going to be cheap) into your rig to gain the utmost in accuracy, it surely isn't going to be on a semi-auto.

I know that semi-autos have come a long way in the accuracy department, but in the benchrest game, where the difference among first, second and third place is measured in 1/1000ths of an inch, a semi just isn't going to cut it.

As far as shooting a .308 goes, I've never had any problem shooting one. I'm not a big guy. I go around 5'2" tall at about 150lbs. With proper recoil management techniques, staying on target isn't a problem at all. In fact, a typical range session usually consists of firing about 100 rounds and it's not been a problem. I don't know of anyone that would make the investment in a rig like yours so that their 8 year old can shoot a .308.

I do admit, that I might be interested, just for the novelty of it, if the pricing was something in the neighborhood of the cost of a good stock for a bolt gun. Say $500 or so.
 
I would, because I have enough disposable income, and DAMN that thing looks cool/fun. Might even have a practical use for it hunting.
 
Tony I am not sure why you believe its a single target gun. Quite regularly I spread a box of clays out down range and I promise you I will shoot them faster than any bolt gun can.
 
You mean like the people who I see with fully loaded military rifles that easily surpass $4,000 mark with equipment that will never see a minute of combat ever? Or the exploding "Zombie" market?
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I don't know where you shoot but i rarely see $4K of AR/gear combos by casual shooters. Many who do have high dollar setups may also compete or use them in LE or contract work. Even still such rifles do appeal to many by the "cool" factor of having military guns and those they see in movies. Not to say nobody will find your contraption to be cool but it certainly won't have widespread appeal. ARs set up with accessories also retain value well.

Not to mention there are already plenty of ARs out there with exceptional accuracy that can rival bolt guns and weigh a lot less.
 
You mean like the people who I see with fully loaded military rifles that easily surpass $4,000 mark with equipment that will never see a minute of combat ever? Or the exploding "Zombie" market?
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Way to get your product out there. I don't appreciate it much either, but there is a difference in being derogatory and simply not commenting on it.

Unless you like catering to slow shooters who spend more time eating their lunch at the range than shooting and can't get in the prone anymore because they're so far past their time.

See what I did there?
 
Nushif I'm not sure why you take so much offense. Someone said they don't see the point in something and I made a valid comparison.

It was not my intent to offend anyone.

I don't know where you shoot but i rarely see $4K of AR/gear combos by casual shooters.
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Between optics, magnifiers, stocks, rails, etc etc its not hard to take a $1,200 rifle and push it past that mark. $4,000 may have been the top end of the spectrum, but I thought it was a valid comparison and rebuttle none the less.

Not to mention there are already plenty of ARs out there with exceptional accuracy that can rival bolt guns and weigh a lot less.
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Don't think we ever disputed this fact. However our system will be able to do all this and do it faster. Less torque, less movement, less heat, faster follow-up acquisition. And something quite important to people, when you pull it out of the crate it doesn't look like a clone that everyone else at the range has. To say you don't enjoy some eye candy would be a bit untruthful yea? :) Its not a one piece puzzle, but multiple pieces.
 
I was not bad mouthing anyone. I have plenty of high dollar rifles that will not see any action (basically plinking at the range or the safe).

We all like to entertain the SHTF ideas and want to be well prepared. :)

Edit: You think I have no entertained the idea of painting the rifle zombie green and some zombie stickers? I'll be a millionaire lol

I could even attach a chain saw on both sides and rig a harness that lets you swing it around at waist height!
 
I do admit, that I might be interested, just for the novelty of it, if the pricing was something in the neighborhood of the cost of a good stock for a bolt gun. Say $500 or so.
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$500 does not even get you a bone-stock AR15, much less a .308 AR10. I understand wanting it to be reasonably priced, but lets not insult Titan here. There is reasonable, and then there is trying to steal a product that he has had to put a lot of work into. I said that for the moment I am uninterested, but that is based solely on the fact that I see this gun going around the $2250 mark (maybe more, maybe less), but that is wayyy more than a college student can afford :eek:

It has been fun watching this project come along, Titan, and I hope to someday get a chance to own one or at least take one for a test drive ;)
 
Tony I am not sure why you believe its a single target gun. Quite regularly I spread a box of clays out down range and I promise you I will shoot them faster than any bolt gun can.
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Titan, I suppose you're right. I just didn't envision using a rig like yours to shoot at clay pigeons that are all lined up across a back stop. Quite frankly, I use my 10/22 to do that. What I envisioned was shooting at clay pigeons (or some other targets) at 500 yards or so, in varying positions. I just see finding your natural point of aim to be a real PITA with a rig as heavy as yours.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's a cool rig. I just don't think it's practical. Since you made the reference to the $4000 mark, is that to say what a complete rifle is going to run?
 
Its heavy, but no more heavy than rifles already in use in the world. You can aim and adjust quite easily. This is more a function of your bi-pod (or other support method) than the rifle itself.

Even with all the weight, the bi-pod is you pivoting point, it takes little effort to shoulder and make adjustments in all directions. The farther out the target, the smaller your adjustments become.

I'd say the only downfall is probably would not be very efficient with a canting support. I don't use any bi-pods that cant (roll left or or right), but I even I can see that being troublesome when you move the weight off to one side and out from directly under your support.

Since you made the reference to the $4000 mark, is that to say what a complete rifle is going to run?
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That was just a random number. As I stated we have not even sat down and compiled what it cost to manufacturer, assemble, and ship such a thing yet.
 
$500 does not even get you a bone-stock AR15, much less a .308 AR10. I understand wanting it to be reasonably priced, but lets not insult Titan here. There is reasonable, and then there is trying to steal a product that he has had to put a lot of work into. I said that for the moment I am uninterested, but that is based solely on the fact that I see this gun going around the $2250 mark (maybe more, maybe less), but that is wayyy more than a college student can afford
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He was talking about the price for just the stock itself, not the rifle.
 
Just want to re-enforce that we have not talked price yet at all. There are so many variables that will come into play.

Stand alone system? Complete Upper system? Complete rifle system? DPMS components? MA-TEN components? Chrome bits? Non-chrome bits?

There could be a wide range of selections depending on the users budget.

But once again, we have not even jotted down anything on paper even in jest.
 
Ok we got some good data from the interwebs. Thanks to all who took the time to answer honestly. :)

Its pretty much the same 1 out of 10 everywhere we posted the poll, which was about what we expected.

Thanks once again.
 
He was talking about the price for just the stock itself, not the rifle.
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I don't believe he was. He is saying that he would be interested in the rifle if it only cost what it would cost him to get a more precision stock for a rifle that he already owned.

But looking back through the parts list, my $2250 guess was well short of what I am now expecting these to go for when (if) they start being sold.
 
I don't see the purpose of something like this when compared to something like the Teludyne Straight Jacket that weighs less(so much less that they can market it to the tactical crowd, or at least try) and is also usable on guns other than ar10s. Does this have any advantages over the Teludyne Straight Jacket?
 
Kush its being developed on an AR-10, retrofitting for AR-15s is easy, platforms outside of ARs will require a bit more work, but the essence of it all will be the same.

I think people for some reason keep ignoring the fact that is not a mobile weapon. You would not be running around at the ready with this (unless you are the hulk, in which case your fist will do just as much damage). Its a system that you deploy once you arrive at the proper location. The same as a Barret for example. And while there is a lack of 50BMG options in the AR platform world, we hopefully can move to testing on a .338 AR mid-year.

Edit: And just another clarification that crossed my mind based on a recent PM; the shroud is universal to any caliber AR platform weapon, the front plate being backwards compatible from .308 and only needing modification on bigger calibers.

Anything (anything!) chambered on the AR platform can be used. Also the shroud can be removed and added to any AR that accepts a free float. The only permanent fixture to use the system is a modified barrel nut.

You are not sacrificing a rifle, you are merely adding a tool to the toolbox. Either I am not making this clear in my various postings/threads or its being over looked for some reason.
 
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allaroundhunter, I don't think that what I said was all that vague. FIVETWOSEVEN got it.

If you go back to the first post in this thread, there is mention of Option #1, which is for the stand alone unit that would attach to any AR-15 type rifle.

From what I'm seeing, the product under discussion here is essentially a freefloat forearm that just happens to weigh over 30lbs. Just because it looks really cool doesn't make it more than it is. No offense intended to the designer, but I could get a similar result by planting the feet of a bipod into 15lb blocks of concrete and have the added advantage of being able to use a canting bipod and being able to readily remove it when I wanted to.

Still, the rig looks nice and it seems that there is a good bit of quality material and machine work in the product. Like I said, I think it's certainly worth the cost of a good stock for a bolt gun, or to put it more into perspective, relative to the cost of LaRue rails, $500 seems like a price point where I might be interested, just for the novelty of it.

I figure, what the heck. I'll make my son carry it the 200 or so yards from the parking area to the shooting benches.

What would really set this product aside from other alternatives (like concrete blocks) is the cooling option. This does, however, make me wonder how they're going to accomplish that.

I mean, we take an AR platform rifle and freefloat the barrel to gain the utmost in consistency which leads to accuracy. How are they going to cool the barrel without attaching something to the barrel. To have a cooling system that will literally keep the barrel cool, they're going to have to have something contacting the barrel. Maybe copper coil wrapped around the barrel with water pumped through it.

Now, the barrel is no longer free floated and the impulses from the pump (assuming that there is a pump) are going to have some sort of impact on accuracy.

The next thing to consider is all of your shots being cold bore shots. Assuming that they can devise a cooling system that has no negative impact on accuracy, how is the barrel staying cool going to affect the accuracy and longevity of the barrel.

I know that I'm seeing (on my rifle and others) about a 5000 round barrel life for rifles that are shot a lot. Meaning that they are shot warm. Since metal expands when it heats up, I'm guessing that the bore of a barrel opens up a bit when it's warm so there isn't as much friction when the bullet travels down the bore of a warm barrel.

So...if the barrel stays cold and all of the shots are essentially cold bore shots, what effect is this going to have on the life of the barrel? I'm really asking, because I don't know. On the other hand, this point may be a wash. If what I suspect is true (that a cold barrel will wear faster), keeping the barrel cool may extend throat life.

Please, take what I'm saying for what it's worth, which is probably nothing. It's nothing more than discussion and an expression of opinion.

I'll tell you this. If I saw a guy out at the range, shooting this thing, I'd sure as heck want a crack at it. In fact, a bunch of cracks.

Like I said, I think it looks cool and certainly, at the least, has a novelty factor. I only question its practicality.
 
From what I'm seeing, the product under discussion here is essentially a freefloat forearm that just happens to weigh over 30lbs. Just because it looks really cool doesn't make it more than it is.
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I think I need to point something out here.

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This system comes with the following; (1) Titan Shroud, (1) Free Float Barrel Nut, (1) Titan Rear Locking Block, (1) Titan Front Plate, (1) Titan Rear Plate, and if applicable; (1) Titan Muzzle Brake Locking Block - all components on a fully loaded model come out to 15.5lbs.
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"Fully Loaded Model" means a muzzle brake equipped and full sized shroud. A few more pounds is shaved off if you operate a non muzzle brake model. A little more on a sub 24" setup. You get the idea.

The 29.5lb+ you keep referring to is our entire rifle (32lb and some change with equipment) which is 27" total in barrel length with the muzzle brake guide/locking block.

Depending on your equipment load out, you could come in under 20lbs total.
 
I voted no.

Please understand this is not a battlefield weapon and is a product for a user who shoots from a bench, sitting, prone, or other non-mobile position.

Not a shooter that fits this model.

Dan
 
Between optics, magnifiers, stocks, rails, etc etc its not hard to take a $1,200 rifle and push it past that mark. $4,000 may have been the top end of the spectrum, but I thought it was a valid comparison and rebuttle none the less.
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I agree but much cheaper setups are far more common at the ranges where i shoot.

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Not to mention there are already plenty of ARs out there with exceptional accuracy that can rival bolt guns and weigh a lot less.

Don't think we ever disputed this fact. However our system will be able to do all this and do it faster. Less torque, less movement, less heat, faster follow-up acquisition. And something quite important to people, when you pull it out of the crate it doesn't look like a clone that everyone else at the range has. To say you don't enjoy some eye candy would be a bit untruthful yea? Its not a one piece puzzle, but multiple pieces.
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Then why even mention bolt gun accuracy? It seems to imply matching bolt gun accuracy is some new or rare feat. No offense, but i woudln't call this thing eye candy. There are plenty of rare guns that most have never seen for a lot less.

I'm not familiar with the rules of competetive bench rest shooting. Are times factored so that there is even a benefit to faster followup shots?
 
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