chickenfried
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Without price in the equation, I'd take the CZ over the Sig. Sig's just don't live up to the hype for me, while CZ's have.
Would you trade a Sig 220ST for a CZ-97B
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For a CZ Lover as myself, the 97B is big, heavy(which helps with recoil) and superbly accurate.
That some only feed FMJ isn't a big obstacle with loads like PowRball
on the market.
As for the SIG, I carried one on duty for 3 years. Unlike my P226, never any problem with it, just always prefered my CZ75s, especially overseas, where 9mm was the norm for ammo. I also like the traditional Browning type controls of the CZ over those of the SIGs.
My old 97B was glossy blue (no longer offered) had MMC nites and Hakans, just too big and heavy for me to CCW every day of the week. Mine fed HPs just fine.
Considered to be the Flagship of the CZ pistol line.They are somewhat
better machined/finished than other CZs and very smooth operating, at least in my opinion and that of other 97B owners.
Whether or not some folks think you would be trading down..
Given the fact that they are hard to come by and have peaked your interest...I think you will pleased with a 97B.
MAJOR CALIBER CLASS!
More pics and info:
http://www.angelfire.com/id/projectsafestarsap/CZ97B.html
That some only feed FMJ isn't a big obstacle with loads like PowRball
on the market.
As for the SIG, I carried one on duty for 3 years. Unlike my P226, never any problem with it, just always prefered my CZ75s, especially overseas, where 9mm was the norm for ammo. I also like the traditional Browning type controls of the CZ over those of the SIGs.
My old 97B was glossy blue (no longer offered) had MMC nites and Hakans, just too big and heavy for me to CCW every day of the week. Mine fed HPs just fine.
Considered to be the Flagship of the CZ pistol line.They are somewhat
better machined/finished than other CZs and very smooth operating, at least in my opinion and that of other 97B owners.
Whether or not some folks think you would be trading down..
Given the fact that they are hard to come by and have peaked your interest...I think you will pleased with a 97B.
MAJOR CALIBER CLASS!
More pics and info:
http://www.angelfire.com/id/projectsafestarsap/CZ97B.html
rbernie
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The CZ just fits me better and I prefer its control layout much better than the Sig. I cannot abide a decocker-with-no-safety pistol. <shudder>
Most folks don't like its size. But if it fits you, oh my! It's breathtaking how good it can make you shoot.
Most folks don't like its size. But if it fits you, oh my! It's breathtaking how good it can make you shoot.
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RockRivr1,
Do you have the opportunity to shoot the CZ-97 before buying to check function, see how it fits you, and how you shoot it? Can you meet the seller at a range nd shoot both side by side? Do you want the HK more than the CZ? Are you planning to move out of Mass in the forseable future?
If you're planning to move to less firearms restrictive state soon then keep the SIG and wait on the CZ.
If you plan to stay in Ma. then prices elsewhere don't matter. Remember, the true value of anything is what someone is willing to pay for it. In Ma. the value of the CZ is inflated by scarcity, but if that's where you plan to stay then that's the pricing to go by. Shoot both side by side and see what you like better. Price out of the equation, the gun you shoot better and that fits/feels best is the better value to you - who cares what anyone else thinks, they won't be shooting it. You're also more likely to take a gun that fits/feels better, and that you shoot better, to the range more often. IMO, the gun you will shoot more is more valuable because you're using as the tool it is.
Also, if you really want the HK, more so than the CZ, then wait on the HK. When you find a good price on the HK the SIG will likely have better trade toward/ sell for cash toward value than the CZ. As I said above different guns work better for different shooters.
Finally, It sounds like you have several other guns that you enjoy so you can hang on to the SIG until the time is right. Just be patient and get what you really want. What you really want to do may be saving for another gun and keeping the SIG. It may be trading/selling the SIG toward something you've tested and know will better for you. Take your time and think on it.
Do you have the opportunity to shoot the CZ-97 before buying to check function, see how it fits you, and how you shoot it? Can you meet the seller at a range nd shoot both side by side? Do you want the HK more than the CZ? Are you planning to move out of Mass in the forseable future?
If you're planning to move to less firearms restrictive state soon then keep the SIG and wait on the CZ.
If you plan to stay in Ma. then prices elsewhere don't matter. Remember, the true value of anything is what someone is willing to pay for it. In Ma. the value of the CZ is inflated by scarcity, but if that's where you plan to stay then that's the pricing to go by. Shoot both side by side and see what you like better. Price out of the equation, the gun you shoot better and that fits/feels best is the better value to you - who cares what anyone else thinks, they won't be shooting it. You're also more likely to take a gun that fits/feels better, and that you shoot better, to the range more often. IMO, the gun you will shoot more is more valuable because you're using as the tool it is.
Also, if you really want the HK, more so than the CZ, then wait on the HK. When you find a good price on the HK the SIG will likely have better trade toward/ sell for cash toward value than the CZ. As I said above different guns work better for different shooters.
Finally, It sounds like you have several other guns that you enjoy so you can hang on to the SIG until the time is right. Just be patient and get what you really want. What you really want to do may be saving for another gun and keeping the SIG. It may be trading/selling the SIG toward something you've tested and know will better for you. Take your time and think on it.
robctwo
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I have the Sig ST Stock, fiber optic sights and oversized controls. Also have the CZ 75BD, Kadet Kit, P-01 and IPSC Standard. I would not trade my 220 for the 97B. I might buy the 97, but would not trade.
If you are not shooting the 220, why would you think you would shoot the 97?
If you are not shooting the 220, why would you think you would shoot the 97?
Mr Kablammo
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The posts that base the worth of the trade on the monetary value alone are bogus. As stated by the wise above, prices in your state are the prices in your state. Beyond that, the idea that the quality of each arm is reflected in the price is also bogus. I have both, and used Sigs in new condition routinely rotate locally for just less than the price of a new CZ 97B. Is that because the CZ is low quality? No. The CZ 97B, in my opinion, is under-priced. I have a gloss 97B and am astonished that it is not an $700+ piece. The accuracy is astounding, the trigger is smooth as butter, and the gloss finish is deep and handsome, the takedown is as easy as the Sig. At the range, people say the Sig is a 'good gun'. But the compliments are come in for the CZ.
Yes, one can CCW the Sig more easily, but will you?
Shoot both guns and if you are impressed by the 97B, and it suits your purposes, trade. If there is ever a collector's market, the CZ will appreciate more than the Sig. Please, stop insulting the CZs. The quality is THERE.
Yes, one can CCW the Sig more easily, but will you?
Shoot both guns and if you are impressed by the 97B, and it suits your purposes, trade. If there is ever a collector's market, the CZ will appreciate more than the Sig. Please, stop insulting the CZs. The quality is THERE.
Spartacus451
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He doesn't mention...
That the CZ comes with a 150 dollar holster and mag carrier from C Rusty Sherrick, 6 magazines, Jack Ash custom stainles steel guide rod, extra recoil spring, factory drop free magazine brake. I resent the notion that I am charging more because this is being sold in MA. That is absolutely untrue. The premium is at most 50-75 dollars if any and that is if you excessively devalue the accessories. I am only charging what I paid for it, and I paid that price for the accessories. I also added the guide rod and spring into the package since I bought it.
The Sig 220ST is a better gun hands down. Nicer fit and finish and it will feed hollowpoints no questions asked. The CZ-97 however has a totally different recoil feel that is the reason I bought it, is C&L capable, and has the two extra rounds of capacity. I would just carry it with ball and be done with it, in .45 I think it isn't such a big deal. You are welcome to shoot the gun before buying.
Don't yah just love cross posting forums?
That the CZ comes with a 150 dollar holster and mag carrier from C Rusty Sherrick, 6 magazines, Jack Ash custom stainles steel guide rod, extra recoil spring, factory drop free magazine brake. I resent the notion that I am charging more because this is being sold in MA. That is absolutely untrue. The premium is at most 50-75 dollars if any and that is if you excessively devalue the accessories. I am only charging what I paid for it, and I paid that price for the accessories. I also added the guide rod and spring into the package since I bought it.
The Sig 220ST is a better gun hands down. Nicer fit and finish and it will feed hollowpoints no questions asked. The CZ-97 however has a totally different recoil feel that is the reason I bought it, is C&L capable, and has the two extra rounds of capacity. I would just carry it with ball and be done with it, in .45 I think it isn't such a big deal. You are welcome to shoot the gun before buying.
Don't yah just love cross posting forums?
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Snake Eyes
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I traded my wife for a Sig once. I don't even miss her.
chickenfried
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More expensive gun doesn't mean better gun.
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Rockrivr1
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adweisbe wrote: I resent the notion that I am charging more because this is being sold in MA.
I don't think my posts indicated that at all. Unless your talking about posts from other people. I've been buying handguns in MA long enought to know how the ban plays into the cost. My comments about the price being steep was in reference to the funds I do not have available to buy it. If I had $650 I would definitely buy it from you.
I've only shot a CZ-75 once a few years ago and it shot well. This post was to get comments on what the overall opinion on this particular model. If any insult was taken by my comments, they were not stated to infer that.
Oh and I didn't post this question on the original forum as I didn't want anyone else to realize you were selling and grab it before I got a chance.
Yeah, really crappy of me. I REALLY need to get an incognito id for these types of questions.
As I emailed you, good luck in selling your CZ. I'm sure someone will quickly swoop it up.
I don't think my posts indicated that at all. Unless your talking about posts from other people. I've been buying handguns in MA long enought to know how the ban plays into the cost. My comments about the price being steep was in reference to the funds I do not have available to buy it. If I had $650 I would definitely buy it from you.
I've only shot a CZ-75 once a few years ago and it shot well. This post was to get comments on what the overall opinion on this particular model. If any insult was taken by my comments, they were not stated to infer that.
Oh and I didn't post this question on the original forum as I didn't want anyone else to realize you were selling and grab it before I got a chance.
Yeah, really crappy of me. I REALLY need to get an incognito id for these types of questions. As I emailed you, good luck in selling your CZ. I'm sure someone will quickly swoop it up.
Spartacus451
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RockRivr1, I have no complaint with you whatsoever. Not with anyone else I guess, they just didn't have the whole picture with which to pass judgement. I should have kept out and not been rude but I couldn't help myself. I always get a kick out of seeing people cross post.
A new CZ 97B is 525 from onpoint firearms, devalue the holster to 75 + mag carrier, that is 600, add in 4 mags, that is more then 50 dollars, plus the guide rod. The honest MA markup is not to charge more for a gun that isn't available, but instead to charge new or close to new price if the gun is in %95 or better condition. Considering that a used 220ST goes for 550-699 (Carls has a 599 in stock), brand new 220STs were selling for 650 only two years ago, it seems like a pretty straight deal. The catch is, you have to want a CZ-97, without that it's worthless.
I always get a kick out of seeing people cross post.A new CZ 97B is 525 from onpoint firearms, devalue the holster to 75 + mag carrier, that is 600, add in 4 mags, that is more then 50 dollars, plus the guide rod. The honest MA markup is not to charge more for a gun that isn't available, but instead to charge new or close to new price if the gun is in %95 or better condition. Considering that a used 220ST goes for 550-699 (Carls has a 599 in stock), brand new 220STs were selling for 650 only two years ago, it seems like a pretty straight deal. The catch is, you have to want a CZ-97, without that it's worthless.
skers69
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I have a sig p226-9mm and a cz pcr. If I had to choose between the two I would take the cz all the time. But I love my sig as well. Both are great guns.
Marshall
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And be willing to give up and live without the 220ST. I want a CZ-97 but, I want about 25 other guns first and wouldn't be willing to live without any I already own to get one.
gudel
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I'm not a sig fan, but if you tell me to pick a 220ST or CZ97B, I'd take the Sig.
SAG0282
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No way I'd do that.......I much prefer SIGs.
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