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Wounded and suffering animals

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by jsalcedo, Sep 16, 2003.

  1. jsalcedo

    jsalcedo Well-Known Member

    I sometimes go hiking and on more than one occasion I have run across
    deer with one gangrenous leg hanging or a tree branch gouged eyeball
    or ones wounded from being hit by cars.

    Should I or do I need to put these animals down as I come across them?

    I'm not sure if the police or animal rescue is going to hike out in the middle of the woods on my phone call and if they do the animal would probably have moved off by then.

    How should this be dealt with?
  2. TallPine

    TallPine Well-Known Member

    Sadly, not unless you want to take a chance of being prosecuted for poaching ...

    And critters do survive some pretty awful injuries - there was a three legged doe running around our friends' neighborhood for several years.
  3. Bigjake

    Bigjake Well-Known Member

    i guess it would depend where you live. if theres any threat of witnesses or game wardens wandering the place, let it be. If it were out on our property down in the hills, i'd put the critter out of its misery, but there i have no fear of legal reprocusions.
  4. DorGunR

    DorGunR Well-Known Member

    jsalcedo Why don't you ask your local Game Warden the same question you just posted on this thread?????
    If you do.......please post his answer.;)
  5. TheeBadOne

    TheeBadOne Well-Known Member

    They will tell you to call the local authorties because sadly, too many poachers use that defense "It was wounded" when caught. Sometimes they will tell you to go ahead and put the animal down, sometimes they will respond.
  6. Pumpkinheaver

    Pumpkinheaver Well-Known Member

    That's what coyotes are for!!!
  7. jsalcedo

    jsalcedo Well-Known Member

    Good Idea. I was thinking more from a moral, practicality, safety standpoint.

    I didn't even think about the poaching aspect but that is really something to take into consideration.
  8. JerryN

    JerryN Well-Known Member

    If the animal cannot get away from you, you can be fairly certain that it is suffering in some substantial manner. The real ethical question would be why you would let it continue to suffer.

    The legal question would be whether you could do your duty by stopping the suffering without being arrested. And since that is the case, you should, as has been mentioned, discuss this with your local game warden.

    I hike and stomp around in the woods a lot, hunting, fishing and doing nature photography. I live in the boonies. There are bazillions of animals around here. I kayak and canoe the waters all around this relatively wild area.

    I *never* see (compared to your "on more than one occasion I have run across") wounded critters as you have described. You must live in an unusual area. The animals I see (and mind you, I Live in an area where hunting is the norm - we still live as part of the natural cycle, not APART FROM the natural cycle) and its pretty danged rare to see a wounded animal.
  9. jsalcedo

    jsalcedo Well-Known Member

    I wasn't sure if it is unsual or not. One time was in a state park another time the animal was standing on the side of a hiking trail with a big piece of
    it's face rotting off, the latest one was across a fence in a fairly rural
    area with a leg hanging off barely attached.

    I know we have coyotes around here but it seems not enough.

    There is plenty of hunting in South Texas but most likely not in the areas
    I described.
  10. Redlg155

    Redlg155 Well-Known Member

    Leaving them alone is the best bet out there. What you may think as a wounded animal or sick animal could possibly be one that is rabid. As for deer, the critters will take care of it soon enough should it expire. Although you may not see them often, you would be surprised at the amount of predator animals in your area.

    No game warden out there would advise that you dispatch a wounded animal unless the animal is considered a nuisance animal or that the game is in season and you add it to your existing bag limit. Otherwise they would ask that you advise them of the critter. Would they do something about it? Well..unless it is trapped or in a public area you can pretty much bet they will let nature take its course.

    I'm not a game warden, but I did spend about a year attatched to the Fish and Wildlife section when stationed at Ft Sill, Ok.

    Good Shooting
  11. jsalcedo

    jsalcedo Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the info.

    I guess I'll be calling the authorities or just leave it be.
  12. 243_shooter

    243_shooter Well-Known Member

    Very true.. My buddies game camera often catches pics of an OLD doe (muzzle + around eyes completely gray like and old lab).. She has a plainly visible gouge that runs down her LF shoulder, and LR hip.. Looks like somebody ran an ice cream scoop down her.. I don't know if it was a run in from a car, or a grazing shot, or what, but it looks to be completely healed..

  13. AJ Dual

    AJ Dual member

    This thread makes me think of the latest in that series of annoying OnStar radio commercials of "actual calls". I just heard a new one driving to lunch today, it made me laugh out loud, and I almost could have used OnStar in my car to report I was choking on my freedom-fries.

    Announcer: This is an actual OnStar call, from blah blah blah...

    A hysterical woman pushes the OnStar button in her SUV and chokes out between sobs that she's hit a deer, and begs the operator to call her husband. (First chuckle)

    The operator insists on calling the Sheriff's office first, and when connected, they ask her over the OnStar speaker if she's OK.

    "Yes, (sniffle), I'm fine, but I think the deer's leg is broken..."

    LMAO :D Like they're going to send out the special "animal ambulance". (more like the glue wagon)

    The commercial should have continued with the police arriving on the audio, saying, "Stay in your car just a moment ma'am..."

    A muffled BANG! is heard, and the sound of horrified soccer-mommy screams blasting out the ears of the OnStar operator.
  14. BamBam

    BamBam Well-Known Member

    True story:

    A few years ago I was driving to a service call in the ghetto. A dog darted out in front of a car going the other direction and got hit.
    I stopped to check on the animal (the other driver sped away). It was hurt so bad that I knew it wouldn't make it to the vet. I felt that putting it down with my Beretta .25 Jetfire would be the humane thing to do.
    JUST as I was about to squeeze off a round, the dog's owner comes outside. I asked him if I should put the dog out of it's suffering and he says "I'll take care of it".
    So he picks the dog up, throws it over his chain-link fence and walks back into the house.
    I waited for a few minutes but the guy never comes back out!

    What a guy.
  15. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    That's one heckuva horrible story Bambam. He throws his injured dog over a fence? :mad:

    Turning to the wounded deer with a gangerous leg, I doubt if a case can be made for poaching as opposed to mercy killing. A photo of the bad leg and proof that the animal could not survive would exculpate one from a poaching conviction. But you gotta have a photo and support it with testimony of your observation and of course, a touch of remorse that the poor critter was in such condition.

    The real issue is whether you can lawfully euthanize an injured or sick animal. Consult Wally Warden or Harry Humane Officer for advice in your jurisdiction.
  16. jhisaac1

    jhisaac1 Well-Known Member

  17. dandean316

    dandean316 Well-Known Member

    I hit a big doe broadside a couple years back and totalled my wife's car. A totally smashed front end, busted windshield, engine died, jsut completely totalled. I had my sister in law come pick us up and she said "I sure hope the deer didn't suffer." Are you kidding me? We could have been killed and she's worried about an overgrown rat.
  18. TallPine

    TallPine Well-Known Member

    Another reason to drive a full-size SUV .... :D
  19. dandean316

    dandean316 Well-Known Member

    Nah. A full size truck. Can put dirt and wood in the back without worrying about tearing up all the pretty carpeting in a SUV. Heck, I'd have run the doe over with a truck instead of hitting her broadside and flipping her over, crashing into the windshield then up and over the car. Very scary.

    And on topic - I would most likely never shoot a wounded animal, especially if there's people within hearing distance of the gunshot.
  20. TallPine

    TallPine Well-Known Member

    dan, actually, I have the truck

    my wife has the Suburban

    But grill guards - the big heavy ones made out of 3" pipe - are the way to go.

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