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Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by Dr_2_B, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. Dr_2_B

    Dr_2_B Well-Known Member

    Please give opinions on this video.

    Cop stopping a pedestrian for (I believe) open carry.
  2. JustKen

    JustKen Well-Known Member

    Okay. That guy was pretty nice about it. You think that he was on camera had anything to do with it or was he just a nice person?
  3. bkjeffrey

    bkjeffrey Well-Known Member

    My opinion on the video....Hmmm

    I feel that the pedestrian was unnecessarily being uncooperative with the officer for no reason other than to try and prove a point. I do not know what his motives for not properly identifying himself were. As soon as the officer acknowledged his right to carry and returned the firearm he then had no reason to be standoffish.

    The officer did everything properly in my opinion and treated the pedestrian with courtesy, the pedestrian should have returned the favor.

    In my opinion we live in a society that has an "us vs them" attitude, and when a police officer is doing his job to "protect and serve" with a common courtesy for man and his liberties we should be willing to adhere to their requests to form an alliance with authority. But I bet now that officer got in his car and probably thought "man, that guy was being a butt-head". I know I did. If I was the pedestrian I would have taken the opportunity to make amends with the officer in hopes that we as people with rights can form an alliance and understanding of cooperation with local law enforcement.

    This is my opinion again, but I bet if in the future that officer ever pulls that guy over for J-walking he wont let the "its my right" excuse fly with the way he advertently denied the officers request for information.

    I believe honest gun owners should make efforts to portray themselves as cooperative and courteous law abiding citizens and not show blatant disregard for authority just because we want to make a point. Thats exactly what the pedestrian did.
  4. skoro

    skoro Well-Known Member

    In my opinion, the Canton, OH cop shop should make that required viewing for their patrol officers. :cool:
  5. Lawdawg45

    Lawdawg45 Well-Known Member

    I've seen this video on several other forums, and the Officer's actions/responses were textbook academy training, kudos to him. The civilian however was a juvenile mindset looking for a confrontation or attention that mommy never gave him. This goof is the worst possible spokesman for 2nd amendment rights:banghead:.

  6. lead slinger

    lead slinger Well-Known Member

    bkjeffrey and lawdawg45
    your both dead on. there was no reason to not give your last name
  7. Mike1234567

    Mike1234567 member

    No question in my mind that they were both posturing a just little bit... very minor but it's there none-the-less.
  8. easyg

    easyg Well-Known Member

    As nice as this police officer appeared to be, we have to ask:
    Would the police officer had stopped the pedestrian had the pedestrian not been carrying a handgun?

    If open carry is legal in that cop's state, then why was the pedestrian stopped at all?

    Stopping anyone for doing something that is perfectly legal is not good policing....it's the early beginnings of a "police state".
  9. lead slinger

    lead slinger Well-Known Member

    I think in the start of the video the cop said a call came in about some one carrying a gun
  10. Lawdawg45

    Lawdawg45 Well-Known Member

    "As nice as this police officer appeared to be, we have to ask:
    Would the police officer had stopped the pedestrian had the pedestrian not been carrying a handgun?

    If open carry is legal in that cop's state, then why was the pedestrian stopped at all?"

    If I remember correctly, this childish experiment took place in California where every County, City and in some cases local department jurisdictions differing in their handgun rules, so the laws for concealed carry or open carry differ vastly. If open carry was only legal with an unloaded weapon (the impression I get from the video), the Officer was well within his S.O.P.'s to determine this. Bottom line is that this little boy got some much needed attention and his video made viral on YouTube.:rolleyes:
  11. TRguy

    TRguy Well-Known Member

    I am a civilian

    The cop acted appropriately, he knew he was being filmed, albeit he did a fine job.

    The civilian was within his rights, he wasn't belligerent but not forth coming. Who says he has to be forthcoming??? No One.

    No harm, No foul. Both did fine.
  12. M-Cameron

    M-Cameron member

    unless of course there is no legal requirement to give your last name......in which case, why offer more information than needed.

    just because the cop was friendly, doesnt make him your friend.

    suppose he gave his full name, the officer runs the name....and suppose someone with the same name has a warrant out for his arrest.....well, hows the officer supposed to know the difference between the two......that means his day gets a whole lot more inconvenient.

    also to the people claiming the guy was "looking for attention"........suppose this encounter had gone differently....suppose the cop was belligerent and assaulted him........would you have the same opinion then?

    now i have some doubts as to whether this officer was genuinely a nice guy...or whether he is smart enough to know that if he does wrong, everyone will know.......but the way he handled the situation should be a model on how to handle these encounters.
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2011
  13. Magno

    Magno Well-Known Member

    Nice illustrative video. Too bad the civilian was being such a prick.
  14. TRguy

    TRguy Well-Known Member

    Really? How so?
  15. KodiakBeer

    KodiakBeer member

    The cop was polite, but he was still detaining a citizen with no probable cause whatsoever. Are you suggesting that we should be polite when we are illegally detained, searched and disarmed?

    I wonder if the cop would have been polite if he wasn't being recorded?
  16. Ruddie

    Ruddie Well-Known Member

    ..... So, let me get this straight, law enforcement get ridiculed for stopping the guy to simply ask him some questions?
    If the guy was open carrying, I would have asked him for id too. He could have been a violent person or just a guy on a stroll. How are we to know? Just talking to him can give an idea on his mind set. Unless you think its ok for crazy people to wield guns and not be bothered by an officer.... I'm sure that would be our fault as well.... "why didn't the cops stop the crazy guy walking down the street with a gun on his side"
    If he would have taken this video and then killed someone, it would have been our fault for not stopping him in the first place....
    It's whatever though.
  17. ursus100

    ursus100 Member

    As far as I am concerned, the cop was doing his job. Although California still allows open carry, but it is legal ONLY if the gun is unloaded. The cop validated that and was on his way. I don't have the whole of the California penal code memorized, but I don't think that stopping a person excercising open carry to check that the firearms are in fact unloaded constitutes illegal detainment.

    While we will never know whta Officer Lyons would have done had the camera not beemn recording, we do know that with it recording, he was polite and professional.
  18. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    "I think in the start of the video the cop said a call came in about some one carrying a gun."

    If the cop is indeed responding to such a call, he is obligated to determine the reality of the situation. That open carry is legal in no way means that the carrier cannot be questioned--at least briefly.

    To believe that the investigation was a violation of the carrier's rights in this situation is saying that a concerned citizen should have been quiet and unconcerned about an unusual event. No matter what Keyboard Kommandos think, Nervous Nellies and Little Old Ladies have rights also.
  19. shaolink9

    shaolink9 Active Member

    In my opinion LAWDAWG45 is spot on . This gentleman could have been a felon. Every region laws are different for open carry protocal. The officer did his job. The man carrying was being prickish. There is no reason for him to withhold info if he did not do anything wrong. I Personally feel that when you open carry you open yourself to this type of thing.
  20. easyg

    easyg Well-Known Member

    In the United States Of America we have a legal system based upon "the presumption of innocence".
    Of course we don't "know" if any given person is a violent criminal of not, but any given person in this nation is presumed innocent of being a violent criminal until that person actually gives reason to presume otherwise.
    If carrying a handgun is legal then there is no reason to presume the person is a violent criminal.
    The police in the U.S.A. are not supposed to stop people engaged in legal activities just to see if they have a history of violent crime.

    Unless the person in question is acting in a "crazy" manner, or a highly suspicious manner, or committing a crime, then the mind set of any given law abiding citizen is none of the officer's business.
    Does this mean that a crazy person might somehow get a gun and shoot someone out of the blue with no warning signs whatsoever?
    That is the price we pay for our freedoms.

    Last edited: Aug 9, 2011

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