Long-term hidden gun storage...

[marshall3]

I have started a new web page of links about long-term hidden gun storage. Who knows, you might want to hide some guns someday.

Here's the link: http://www.mouseguns.com/storage.htm

Please let me know of other good links to add to my web page, if you run across one or two good ones.

[Professor K]

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Hollow-Book

Good for a pistol, it will look odd if you got 3 books in your house, but if you got a bookshelf full of books, it wont look very odd. As long as your pistol isnt a Desert Eagle with a 10 inch barrel, or a long barrel revolver, it should fit in a large hollowed out book.

It's cliche movie thing, but you cant deny that it's a good hide.

Computer is actually a surprisingly good place to hide a pistol or ammo, too. Take the case off it, look at all the open space inside there. Almost all electronics got open space in them.

http://nw0.info/files/eBooks%20and%2...easier.jpg.rar

http://nw0.info/files/eBooks%20and%20Audio%20Books/[Combat]%20How_to%20Hide%20Anything.pdf

There's two books about the subject.

I got some other suggestions on how to hide stuff, too.

[Mark Whiteman]

As long as the thing you're using as a hide isn't either easily checked or interesting to turn into quick cash. I prefer converted major home appliances myself. Nobody pawns big old TV sets...and several in a house apparently isn't unusual anymore. And there's always one that doesn't work. Long guns on a wooden carousel in a water heater shell. Yeah, thats the ticket...

[Professor K]

Burying them just isnt really practical anymore, though, unless they're right next to your house. See, ATF knows that guns get buried, and will likely go put up a bounty for anyone that finds them. Also, they dont use regular metal detectors anymore, they use I think ground penetrating radar. You cant do the old "throw a bunch of screws and nails on the ground" trick anymore. Forests also get reclaimed by development, too, so getting back there often isnt possible.

I think this would do better in strategies and tactics.

A way to hide long guns would be to hide them in the house, like inside walls, or the false pipe that leads to nowhere. Or, hot water heater is another good one. Big speakers are great, too, I know a kid that grows weed in his big speakers.

If the ATF or other agency is in your house searching for firearms, they'll likely do a little tearing, but they're probably not that ambitious. If they ever get really ambitious, and want to take apart stuff, you should use, ahem, appropriate means to get them out. However, I dont think they're really ambitious enough to start taking apart stuff or go tearing through walls.

Living in the desert has it's advantages for hiding stuff, as nobody wants to or can spend prolonged times in the desert. Also, the desert enviroment is perfect for firearms, as proven in Iraq. It's dry, in Iraq, all the insurgents had to do was clean the sand out of the Iran-Iraq war surplus and they were good to go.

If you got a compost heap, you can always hide guns there, and put raw meat in the compost heap. Unpleasant=unsearched. Basically, you should give the searcher so much trouble and mess that he just gets frustrated and goes home.

Another strategy is just have a few guns to give up, maybe even a "cache" like 5 nagants and 1000 rounds of ammo, that can be found really easily. This is often a tactics used with the pyro hobbyists, they keep a shoebox of firecrackers handy just so the cop finds "explosives" really quick and easy, and calls it a day.

You guys should check out those books, though.

[Mark Whiteman]

The biggest flaw with all this is, if you just copy a method you read about, is its already known to look there. EVERYBODY reads the Internet! Investigators of all types have access to, and compilations of, everything we've discussed, probably before we read about them.

Ground penetrating radars small enough to transport in the trunk of a car are in common use for crime scene examination. What can be done, as K discussed, is to make it more trouble than the searcher wishes to go to in order to find what he thinks you have. Burglars and thieves are easy: they'll just go pick on someone less "creative" instead. If a professional is just looking, and doesn't have any definite knowledge of what you have, he won't expend as much effort as he would if he was positive about it. If someone wants to use a GPR on a suspect area, it will spot objects of different densities underground, but since it is still electromagnetic energy, it cannot actually penetrate metallic objects. Can you imagine how many old brake drums someone will dig up before they give up on the area? Especially if someone had a lot of them. Or old welding gas cylinders. Otherwise, your only "protection" will be to have your property elsewhere. That alone complicates things, since you no longer have control over access.

Get creative, but don't copy what someone else writes about.