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Old July 8, 2009, 10:54 PM   #51
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Maybe try contacting 'ASM' and see if they still have a few dusty Cigar Boxes of those Sights laying around...


Offer good Scotch...might get lucky...


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Old July 8, 2009, 10:56 PM   #52
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ASM went out of business years ago
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Old July 8, 2009, 10:59 PM   #53
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Would not be too hard

to get someone to fabricate the correct sights , just gonna take foot work is all , and oh , MONEY .

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Old July 8, 2009, 11:13 PM   #54
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Ohhhhh...well, 'ASM's left-overs had to go some where...so, someone has them...or various someones have them...
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Old July 8, 2009, 11:18 PM   #55
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AussieTH..Never mind. Be too much trouble..

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Old July 8, 2009, 11:22 PM   #56
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Old July 8, 2009, 11:30 PM   #57
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Hey Aussie

if he doesn't object , Das Jaeger could be put in his own little corner , figure he'd be his best own company
People are so funny , see lookie .

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Old July 8, 2009, 11:46 PM   #58
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Scrat, we're alright. You and me against the world, buddy. I bet it does get kind of aggravating trying to keep up with the Walker Club. I'd get pissed off and throw the computer out of the window.
I guess I need to post a flick of my 1st Model. I'vd only fired it that 6 times (one cylinder full) that I told you about. I'vd got a couple of photographs of it on my camera now but I don't know where the cable is to feed the pictures into the computer. I got a 35 footer 5th wheel pulled in here and 'v'd' it up with the travel trailer with the point facing into where all the wind and snow will be blowing from this winter, and I'vd been moving lot's of stuff from one trailer to the next and am not sure which bag I stuck it in. I'll come across it as I'm sorting things out and putting stuff away.
It was nice of AussieTH to just look me up out of no where and give me a place on this thread.
I killed a couple of nice fat rattlesnakes a few days ago. Got them with my Walker. They'd been eating good since they'd been out. They were heavy; lot's of meat on them. I cleaned them and cooked some on July the 4th. Haven't eaten both of them yet. One of them is cut up in sections and wrapped up nice and in the freezer.
Well, it was real nice to hear from you Scrat. You write any time you'vd of a mind to. Always good to hear from old friends. GOTC..

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Old July 9, 2009, 12:56 AM   #59
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Made by: Colt, 2nd Generation, 3rd Model Dragoon, cased with accessories, S/N: 23182.


Oh, and just for the Hell of it: 3rd Generation, boxed Baby Dragoon, S/N: 831
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Old July 9, 2009, 01:28 AM   #60
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Hi O/T3

Beaut guns mate.

Your are in at member #20 and very welcome indeed.

Aye

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Old July 9, 2009, 01:31 AM   #61
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Membership # re-shuffle - Das Jaeger

Hi fighter!

If you want a reallocation of membership # then fine - but I will put you in no dog box as I want you around my friend!

You can take #1001 - but - next cab off the rank gets your #3! Howl now or forever hold you bones
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Old July 9, 2009, 04:38 AM   #62
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Holding Bone

Pretty good member drive so far Aussie Mate !
Quite the collection of finer than normal Dragoons around here , very cool .
Someone ( you ) needs to post one of those leaf sights you got going on .
Ever considered a 22 or 24" barrel for your project ? Would be more realistic, and more useable for the five leaf if thats what you got your mind set on .
Just sayin .

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Old July 9, 2009, 04:44 AM   #63
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OK - I will find a way of getting a link or image to the sight.

Not keen on the longer barrels - they would be bloody heavy even with BBG's heavy carrying straps. But anything is possible - let us see how the 18" turns out.

Hang onto dem bones sport!
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Old July 9, 2009, 05:06 AM   #64
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Its my understanding

and I could be wrong here , but the Remington 58 was in 22" and 24" , not 18" ever .
I also don't think the extra four to six inches would make a hill of beans in weight , with a gun thats going to weight 7 or 8 pounds anyway . If you havea 14" trigger pull which I really enjoy , 22" or 24" is minimally perfect for balance anyway . Center of gravity on a gun like this is going to be the body of the gun , not the stock , not the barrel , you'd be good to go Mate .
Heck, make me one in 32 inch and you'd have a real long range revolving rifle, not no carbine . Look how long the Root is ! Theres a reason , powder burn rate of 2ff , yup .

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Old July 9, 2009, 07:55 AM   #65
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being added to rolls here is an honor but now I really need to get a Dragoon.
Thanks Aussie. Kind of nice in here the only thing missing is a Fridge full of Fosters.
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Old July 9, 2009, 09:40 AM   #66
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The use of the word Dragoon, to identify Sam Colt's 7 1/2 inch barrel .44 caliber revolving pistol, manufactured circa 1848 as a follow on to the larger 9 inch barrel .44, for issue to cavalry and mounted infantry in northern Mexico and the southwestern territories of the US, was not by Colt's Manufacturing Company nor any federal or territorial constituency, but rather by collectors well after the gun had been retired from general usage.
mykeal is quit correct about the "Dragoon" name. 1st, 2nd and 3rd Model Dragoon is used by collectors to distinguish between variations in manufacturing.

The first one thousand Dragoons were referred to as "second contract" pistols. From reading copies of original Colt ledgers I also see them (Dragoons) referred to as "Colt second Model Holster Pistol" and "Colt third Model Holster Pistol"

I have a Colt book that has a page on the origins of the "Dragoon" name. I'll add to this when I find it.
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Old July 9, 2009, 09:54 AM   #67
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Yup

and so am I .

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Old July 9, 2009, 12:31 PM   #68
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AussieTH..If it will be possible for you to do so, when the gunsmith turn's those barrels I want to see a copy of the test results. I don't care how "Oh! It's so pretty!" it is with the cylinder whitened or the fancy engraving or whatever. (a damn gun is not supposed to be pretty. it's supposed to be well built, well balanced, accurate and kept cleaned and oiled and ready to go. [kept loaded is optional] if someone need's something to hang on the wall and admire and worship before then let them get a picture of the Last Supper) If it dosen't have a good accurate barrel on it then the gun is not worth a damn and is fit only to be thrown away. I read where you stated the barrels will be top notch. We'll see. If they are good barrels I'll buy a gun from you. Two of them actually. I want to make a present of them to my son. Thank you for your consideration....

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Old July 9, 2009, 12:41 PM   #69
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Second that !

Douglas class would be nice

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Old July 9, 2009, 04:18 PM   #70
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and I could be wrong here , but the Remington 58 was in 22" and 24" , not 18" ever .
I also don't think the extra four to six inches would make a hill of beans in weight , with a gun thats going to weight 7 or 8 pounds anyway . If you havea 14" trigger pull which I really enjoy , 22" or 24" is minimally perfect for balance anyway . Center of gravity on a gun like this is going to be the body of the gun , not the stock , not the barrel , you'd be good to go Mate .
Heck, make me one in 32 inch and you'd have a real long range revolving rifle, not no carbine . Look how long the Root is ! Theres a reason , powder burn rate of 2ff , yup .

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There are some differences to note between the Root rifle and the Walker & Dragoon.

1. The Colt 1855 model was originally made in both 10 & 20 gauge as a shotgun and in calibers as diverse as .36 & .56.
That means that the cylinders and chambers were larger and could hold more powder which would make more sense to have a longer barrel.
The Root rifle had a side hammer and being a different design, it may not have even presented the same problem with hammer blowback from those heavier powder charges.

2. The most important consideration would be how much barrel length is required to efficiently burn the powder that's loaded in each chamber.
If the horse pistols were only intended to have much shorter barrels, then what additional burning efficiency & velocity would be gained by having a barrel longer than 18 inches?

3. A longer and heavier barrel without a forestock for support and to help hold it steadier while keeping both hands behind the cylinder? I could be wrong but I don't agree.
Shorter barrels promote faster target aquisition and have been shown to be handier and easier to hold steadier, especially without having a useable & holdable forestock.
It's only in the prototype stage but having a shorter barrel seems like a matter of applying conventional wisdom that's based on prior successful horse pistol conversion designs and their barrel lengths.

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Old July 9, 2009, 05:30 PM   #71
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Lots of differing variables

on all those theorys I suppose ?
One thing I do know for sure is 60 Grains is 60 grains , yup , thats a Musket charge too . Longer barrel , better burn time with 2ff .
18"s is probably just fine and dandy though . Conical or RB is going to effect this greatly too I figure .

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Old July 9, 2009, 06:41 PM   #72
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GOTC -no probs mate - I will disclose full details on the barrels, need folk to be comfortable and know what they are getting!. Gotta get one made first to do that though!

ALSO - We want the LRE to look nice - but no show pony! It is intended to be a working gun.

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Old July 9, 2009, 07:46 PM   #73
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Did Uberti make the 3rd model Dragoons cut for a stock and not make stocks for them?? Why I ask is I just made a offer on a unfired 25 year old Uberti #rd model cut for the shoulder stock
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Old July 9, 2009, 08:02 PM   #74
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Hah! Sniper. I get the feeling that maybe all the current UBs 3rd model are made cut for stocks plus the fourth screw fitted - have not seen one that is not recently - other than images on here.

I understand that stocks were made but then were discontinued - leaving only the 1860 and 1851 stocks avilable. But I am not sure on any of this other than good stocks are hard to get and the LRE project is virtually making it's own. More on that later - going shopping now.

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Old July 9, 2009, 09:30 PM   #75
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AussieTH, Alright, good. That's what I was hoping to hear. My son, (like father like son) will be finishing up his 22 years in the Marine Corps (aka funny green bastard) in a few months and like's blackpowder firearms. He like's the .44 Cattleman's Carbine a lot but he wanted one with more power. He like's the idea of the LRE quite a lot. He and my daughter-in-law will be living way the hell back in there in Alaska and since both of them already own Walker revolvers (Uberti) this will give them more firepower; each with a strong revolver and carbine using interchangeable ammo between their guns and each other, etc..
Thank's a lot for replying to my post. Very kind and pleasant of you I must say...No hurry AussieTH. We'll give it time to get off the ground and tested out and everything....

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