Hunting myths that will mess you up!

H&Hhunter · November 4, 2009, 01:25 PM

Here are some things that are dead a$$ed wrong that will mess up your hunt big time.

1. "Hold high for an uphill shot hold low for a downhill shot..." WRONG WRONG WRONG!! Whether up or downhill a steep angle decreases your hold. You hold lower for either a steep uphill or downhill shot. It has to do with the angular vector of gravity acting on the bullet. A 45 deg angle either up or downhill decreases your bullets drop by something like 25%.

2. "All deer hunting in Texas is baited and behind a high fence." WRONG AGAIN! I've hunted Texas for years and but for one exception have never hunted a deer over a corn feeder or behind a high fence. There are some huge free range ranches and public areas in Texas that offer some very good free range deer hunting at some very reasonable prices. You just gotta look around. And I ain't telling you guys my secret spots so don't ask.

3. "Hunting behind hounds is unfair and easy that it shouldn't be considered a true hunt." Go book a bear or lion hunt in NM or some other place where it's still legal than come back and tell me how easy it was. Hound hunting is the most physically demanding hunt that you can possibly do. I guided behind hounds for year and number one problem I had was with clients who simply couldn't cut the physical aspects of the hunt.

4. "public land elk hunting in Colorado or anywhere for that matter is waste of time." I have to agree that if you don't know the area and you stick to the roads it can be a huge waste of time. But I have hunted every year in CO in some of the most used public areas and I have killed an elk every single year and most years two. The secret is, at least one ridge line over from the road and pick the most worstest looking steepest hell hole available then hunt the heck out of it.

ArmedBear · November 4, 2009, 01:29 PM

#4 is false. If you don't see animals from your ATV, there aren't any. Keep driving around. Please make noise. There's nothing over that ridge worth looking for.

krochus · November 4, 2009, 01:51 PM

#5. Deer have fashon sense and really do care about what you wear.

USMC - Retired · November 4, 2009, 01:54 PM

#6 Deer bed down and don't move in the heat of the day.

If this is true I've shot a good number of sleep walking deer!

CoRoMo · November 4, 2009, 02:05 PM

#7. Minimum adequate cartridge for elk is .270 Win.

I get so tired of hearing that line. It is pure horse poop.

I've never heard #2. Is that an old myth or just a line of BS that is spout from the lips of those who've never been to Texas? I've hunted deer there; no fences.

oneounceload · November 4, 2009, 03:56 PM

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I have killed an elk every single year and most years two.

wow, since when did CO change the rules to allow more than one? When I lived there, one was all you got, of course back then there was no draw either

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow · November 4, 2009, 04:26 PM

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3. "Hunting behind hounds is unfair and easy that it shouldn't be considered a true hunt."

Yeah, and there's a lot of variations on that. Substitute "hounds" with "gun" or "bait" or "a drive"...... Why, a member of THIS forum even, in the last two months, has stated openly that in his opinion, if you're not using a bow, you're in essence a sadistic cheater, because using a gun to hunt animals is like shootng fish in a barrel, or some such.

bad_aim_billy · November 4, 2009, 05:25 PM

#8 Camo and scent cover are necessary to get close to game.

Tell that to the all the hunters over the centuries who never had access to such technology, yet somehow managed to pursue their quarry effectively...

H&Hhunter · November 4, 2009, 05:51 PM

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I've never heard #2. Is that an old myth or just a line of BS that is spout from the lips of those who've never been to Texas?

CoRoMo.

I'd say option B check out post number three on this thread..http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=484353

Unfortunately I see/hear it all the time from uniformed ignoramuses that spend more time on the net than in the field.
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wow, since when did CO change the rules to allow more than one? When I lived there, one was all you got, of course back then there was no draw either

oneounceload,

Actually you can have three elk tags in one year in Colorado. One draw, one over the counter or left over and one private land only. I usually draw one or buy an over the counter and then get a left over.

I don't know when that changed it's been that way since I first moved to CO about ten years ago.

H&Hhunter · November 4, 2009, 05:54 PM

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#7. Minimum adequate cartridge for elk is .270 Win.

I thought a .338 win was the absolute minimum for elk.

qajaq59 · November 4, 2009, 06:28 PM

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3. "Hunting behind hounds is unfair and easy that it shouldn't be considered a true hunt."

I remember my boss saying, "What's so hard about hunting with hounds? You let them out of the truck, they chase the game up a tree, and you shoot it." I asked him why he left out the miles of hiking after the hounds between the letting them out of the truck, and the shooting? We didn't have ATVs back then.

SniperStraz · November 4, 2009, 06:36 PM

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I thought a .338 win was the absolute minimum for elk.

If you want to follow a blood trail sure...
If you really want them DRT .50 BMG is the only option!

CoRoMo · November 4, 2009, 06:51 PM

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I thought a .338 win was the absolute minimum for elk.

Funny guy!!

I was just popping back in, to post another one that really rubs me. It's just like the one I posted earlier.

#9. You have to use a magnum rifle for___________. (no offense H&H

)

As you might guess, I haven't found much use for anything LARGER than a .270win.
But then again, I haven't hunted anything larger than moose!

jbkebert · November 4, 2009, 09:51 PM

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#9. You have to use a magnum rifle for___________. (no offense H&H)

#10 Animals just explode when hit with a magnum cartridge and it ruins all the meat. No No No with a proper bullet a .300 win mag does no more damage than a .243 it just reaches out there a little furthur. My favorite rifle is the .270 win but if I am dropping big money to travel for a hunt. I am taking my big gun with; maybe more than needed but why take a chance.

Rembrandt · November 4, 2009, 10:16 PM

#11......By taking a bite from the raw heart of fresh killed game, you will inherit the cunning wisdom and spirits of the deceased critter.

(caution: in some cases therapy may be required)

H&Hhunter · November 5, 2009, 12:47 AM

Always add a bay leaf for flavor as I see you did in that picture.

H&Hhunter · November 5, 2009, 12:55 AM

#12,

A properly shot animal will fall to the report.. WRONG! This is an old wives tail most properly shot critters will run some distance before falling and the bigger the critter is the further it may run even with a bullet though the heart. Cape buffalo have been known to live for over 30 minutes with a bullet through the heart. I've seen a perfectly shot whitetail run for over 200 yards with not much heart left.

#13,

Head shots are either a kill or a miss there is no way you can wound with a head shot. Absolutely WRONG! I've seen too many animals running around with their jaws blown off to buy that one. Unless you are super close and super a steady a head shot on your average critter is a recipe for disaster.

#14,

Ditto on neck shots. When they are done correctly they are spectacular killers but the is a whole lot of neck on a critter that will wound it leave almost no blood trail and cause the animal a long painful suffering death. Same as a misplaced head shot. My recommendation is that unless it is a special circumstance and you really know what you are doing leave the head and neck shots alone.

vett3v · November 5, 2009, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by oneounceload

wow, since when did CO change the rules to allow more than one? When I lived there, one was all you got, of course back then there was no draw either

It is legal to have two elk licenses as long as one of them is an antlerless elk from a unit listed on list B of page 5 of the Big Game Brochure.

What the DOW says.. heh

TehK1w1 · November 5, 2009, 01:40 AM

#15 Hunting from a stand over bait is not sporting because the deer will always show up and wait there patiently for you to shoot them.

nathan · November 5, 2009, 01:49 AM

Watch out for heart worms . Just joking...

CajunBass · November 5, 2009, 05:57 AM

Buckshot is no good for deer hunting.

I guess all those deer I've seen killed, and killed myself with buckshot died of fright or something.

**1911Tuner** · November 5, 2009, 07:43 AM

Another one that I hear from the people who aren't really anti hunting...but don't like the idea of harvesting Whitetail Deer:

"You oughta be ashamed! Huntin' poor, defensless Bambi."

If they'd ever stumbled onto a big buck in a rut, with his neck all swelled out and spoilin' for a fight with anything that crosses his path...they'd come away with a whole new view of poor, defensless Bambi...if they manage to come away from the encounter with all their parts intact and functional.

qajaq59 · November 5, 2009, 07:49 AM

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I guess all those deer I've seen killed, and killed myself with buckshot died of fright or something.

Isn't it amazing all the things we're told wont work after we've already done them?

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"You oughta be ashamed! Huntin' poor, defensless Bambi."

Anyone that can't tell the difference between a cartoon character and a live animal isn't worth the time it takes to talk to them.

CoRoMo · November 5, 2009, 10:28 AM

I absolutely crawl out of my skin when I have to hear a critter loving doofus say something like,

"Why would you want to kill an animal like that?!? What did they ever do to you?"

Oh yes, I hunt only out of vengeance.

Pa-leeze.

**Art Eatman** · November 5, 2009, 11:21 AM

CoRoMo, if some gal pulls that on you, ask her if she drinks milk, and has she ever considered how that process began?

You're a do-it-yourselfer after meat. Has she ever eaten a steak or hamburger? Is she afraid to get her hands dirty?

While I agree with H&H about the Bad Things which can arise from a poor shot at head or neck, I gotta ask Joe Average: So why don't you develop the skill level which keeps Bad Things from happening?

November 4, 2009, 01:51 PM	#3
krochus Member Join Date: October 14, 2005 Location: Northwest Arkansas Posts: 5,348	#5. Deer have fashon sense and really do care about what you wear. __________________ *Have you taken an AR15 hunting recently? Please think of the poor unfortunate EBR's will you?* .223 rem Buck 7.62x39mm Doe

November 5, 2009, 12:47 AM	#16
H&Hhunter Member Join Date: January 28, 2003 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 2,643	Always add a bay leaf for flavor as I see you did in that picture. __________________ Bell who?? He did what with a .275 Rigby?;)

November 5, 2009, 12:55 AM	#17
H&Hhunter Member Join Date: January 28, 2003 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 2,643	#12, A properly shot animal will fall to the report.. WRONG! This is an old wives tail most properly shot critters will run some distance before falling and the bigger the critter is the further it may run even with a bullet though the heart. Cape buffalo have been known to live for over 30 minutes with a bullet through the heart. I've seen a perfectly shot whitetail run for over 200 yards with not much heart left. #13, Head shots are either a kill or a miss there is no way you can wound with a head shot. Absolutely WRONG! I've seen too many animals running around with their jaws blown off to buy that one. Unless you are super close and super a steady a head shot on your average critter is a recipe for disaster. #14, Ditto on neck shots. When they are done correctly they are spectacular killers but the is a whole lot of neck on a critter that will wound it leave almost no blood trail and cause the animal a long painful suffering death. Same as a misplaced head shot. My recommendation is that unless it is a special circumstance and you really know what you are doing leave the head and neck shots alone. __________________ Bell who?? He did what with a .275 Rigby?;)

November 5, 2009, 01:40 AM	#19
TehK1w1 Member Join Date: May 21, 2007 Location: Houston Posts: 761	#15 Hunting from a stand over bait is not sporting because the deer will always show up and wait there patiently for you to shoot them. __________________ >>It's pronounced "The Kiwi"<< Closed for thread veer, insults, wallowing in the bar-ditch beside the Low Road, and attempted homicide of a Moderator by way of coronary aneurysm. -- LawDog Did you have to wear welder's goggles when you set that beast off? Does the manual tell you to scream "fire in the hole!" when you pull the trigger? Does the Forest Service you tell you to keep that thing out of the woods on hot, dry days? Do you still have eyebrows? Can it fire grape shot? I could go on . . . -Shear_Stress

November 5, 2009, 05:57 AM	#21
CajunBass Member Join Date: June 2, 2005 Location: Chancellorsville, Virginia Posts: 2,778	Buckshot is no good for deer hunting. I guess all those deer I've seen killed, and killed myself with buckshot died of fright or something. __________________ For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 (NKJV)

November 4, 2009, 01:25 PM	#1
H&Hhunter Member Join Date: January 28, 2003 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 2,643	Hunting myths that will mess you up! Here are some things that are dead a$$ed wrong that will mess up your hunt big time. 1. "Hold high for an uphill shot hold low for a downhill shot..." WRONG WRONG WRONG!! Whether up or downhill a steep angle decreases your hold. You hold lower for either a steep uphill or downhill shot. It has to do with the angular vector of gravity acting on the bullet. A 45 deg angle either up or downhill decreases your bullets drop by something like 25%. 2. "All deer hunting in Texas is baited and behind a high fence." WRONG AGAIN! I've hunted Texas for years and but for one exception have never hunted a deer over a corn feeder or behind a high fence. There are some huge free range ranches and public areas in Texas that offer some very good free range deer hunting at some very reasonable prices. You just gotta look around. And I ain't telling you guys my secret spots so don't ask. 3. "Hunting behind hounds is unfair and easy that it shouldn't be considered a true hunt." Go book a bear or lion hunt in NM or some other place where it's still legal than come back and tell me how easy it was. Hound hunting is the most physically demanding hunt that you can possibly do. I guided behind hounds for year and number one problem I had was with clients who simply couldn't cut the physical aspects of the hunt. 4. "public land elk hunting in Colorado or anywhere for that matter is waste of time." I have to agree that if you don't know the area and you stick to the roads it can be a huge waste of time. But I have hunted every year in CO in some of the most used public areas and I have killed an elk every single year and most years two. The secret is, at least one ridge line over from the road and pick the most worstest looking steepest hell hole available then hunt the heck out of it. __________________ Bell who?? He did what with a .275 Rigby?;) Last edited by H&Hhunter; November 4, 2009 at 05:56 PM.

November 4, 2009, 01:29 PM	#2
ArmedBear Member Join Date: September 8, 2005 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 19,307	#4 is false. If you don't see animals from your ATV, there aren't any. Keep driving around. Please make noise. There's nothing over that ridge worth looking for. __________________ TANSTAAFL If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. - Anatole France Last edited by ArmedBear; November 4, 2009 at 01:36 PM.

November 4, 2009, 01:54 PM	#4
USMC - Retired Member Join Date: September 6, 2006 Location: Leesburg, Georgia Posts: 396	#6 Deer bed down and don't move in the heat of the day. If this is true I've shot a good number of sleep walking deer! __________________ Semper Fi, The Gunns United States Marine Corps - 1983-2003 NRA Endowment Member and Official Recruiter Join Here! Hunters Education Instructor GeorgiaCarry.org Member

November 4, 2009, 02:05 PM	#5
CoRoMo Member Join Date: September 21, 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,528	#7. Minimum adequate cartridge for elk is .270 Win. I get so tired of hearing that line. It is pure horse poop. I've never heard #2. Is that an old myth or just a line of BS that is spout from the lips of those who've never been to Texas? I've hunted deer there; no fences. __________________ The Second Amendment of our Bill of Rights is my concealed weapons permit, period! Ted Nugent

November 4, 2009, 05:25 PM	#8
bad_aim_billy Member Join Date: December 2, 2008 Location: Mountain West Posts: 115	#8 Camo and scent cover are necessary to get close to game. Tell that to the all the hunters over the centuries who never had access to such technology, yet somehow managed to pursue their quarry effectively...

November 4, 2009, 10:16 PM	#15
Rembrandt Member Join Date: February 1, 2003 Posts: 2,005	#11......By taking a bite from the raw heart of fresh killed game, you will inherit the cunning wisdom and spirits of the deceased critter. (caution: in some cases therapy may be required)

November 5, 2009, 01:49 AM	#20
nathan Member Join Date: February 4, 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 1,019	Watch out for heart worms . Just joking...

November 5, 2009, 07:43 AM	#22
1911Tuner Moderator Join Date: May 22, 2003 Location: Lexington,North Carolina...or thereabouts Posts: 12,485	Another one that I hear from the people who aren't really anti hunting...but don't like the idea of harvesting Whitetail Deer: "You oughta be ashamed! Huntin' poor, defensless Bambi." If they'd ever stumbled onto a big buck in a rut, with his neck all swelled out and spoilin' for a fight with anything that crosses his path...they'd come away with a whole new view of poor, defensless Bambi...if they manage to come away from the encounter with all their parts intact and functional. __________________ If your front porch collapses and kills more than five dogs...You just might be a redneck. Speak kindly to me, beloved master. Revel in my unconditional love, and give me every minute that you can spare, for my time with you is short. --Your faithful dog http://www.collierescue.net/available/index.html

November 5, 2009, 10:28 AM	#24
CoRoMo Member Join Date: September 21, 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,528	Bambi I absolutely crawl out of my skin when I have to hear a critter loving doofus say something like, "Why would you want to kill an animal like that?!? What did they ever do to you?" Oh yes, I hunt only out of vengeance. Pa-leeze. __________________ The Second Amendment of our Bill of Rights is my concealed weapons permit, period! Ted Nugent

November 5, 2009, 11:21 AM	#25
Art Eatman Administrator Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: Terlingua, Texas Posts: 23,303	CoRoMo, if some gal pulls that on you, ask her if she drinks milk, and has she ever considered how that process began? You're a do-it-yourselfer after meat. Has she ever eaten a steak or hamburger? Is she afraid to get her hands dirty? While I agree with H&H about the Bad Things which can arise from a poor shot at head or neck, I gotta ask Joe Average: So why don't you develop the skill level which keeps Bad Things from happening? __________________ You're from BATFE? Got your order form and Crayola? I really like your products!

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