love the 1911 but... - Page 2

rellascout · November 5, 2009, 01:29 PM

Dan Wessons are $900+ guns these days. Not in the same price range as a Taurus.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=477915

surjimmy · November 5, 2009, 01:33 PM

I carry a Les Baer and wanted a 1911 that I wouldn't be sick if it got a ding on it when I took it to the woods. Asked a lot of questions from other high end 1911 owners. 100% told me Rock Island Tactical. I bought one, now I'm not going to say this sub $500 gun will do everything my $1700 plus gun will do (cause I'd look like a fool) but Dang! 15 yards one ragged hole. Will eat anything you feed it. Outstanding weapon. The only thing, the mag it came with did not even get through 8 rounds FTF. Changed to Wilson mags not a problem since. I like Taurus but in my experience and have read a bunch others their customer service is non existing. ( Could anyone PM me and tell me about the Norinco, I have a chance to buy one in the box for under $500)

mljdeckard · November 5, 2009, 03:09 PM

Really. Exactly what is it that your $1700 gun will do that the RIA won't do?

DRYHUMOR · November 5, 2009, 03:39 PM

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=483436

how about this one?

Demitrios · November 5, 2009, 04:26 PM

You might want to look into Citadel. They're the same company as RIA (owned by Armscor) and you can get one with some nice bells and whistles for a very good price, about $400 I think. Look under Legacy Sports as well.

surjimmy · November 5, 2009, 05:04 PM

mljdeckard.... Since I paid $1200 more it has to be something, I just don't know what it is yet. Oh I know it made my wallet thinner, and my wife madder.

gyvel · November 5, 2009, 05:11 PM

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unfortunatly cant afford one with the features id like

What features do you need besides a trigger, hammer, frame, slide, barrel, magazine and safety?

atomd · November 5, 2009, 07:59 PM

I bought a Dan Wesson Heritage factory blemish model for $779 this year. The blemishes are hilariously small and some people can't even find them. Heck of a gun for the money. Well...heck of a gun regardless of the money.

For less money I would look at the STI Spartan. I would also consider a Springfield Mil-Spec. For less than that I would then look at the RIA Tactical. People are saying the Metro Arms models are comparable to the RIA. Some say nicer. Personally, I don't go for the out of spec crap and all that 80 series nonsense or guns with stupid locks in them. They can keep all that junk.

Dimis · November 6, 2009, 12:49 AM

Rellascout my realistic budget would be a MAXIMUM of 700 but i dont want to come that close if at all possable

gyvel i like some of the features of the taurus like forwrd cocking serrations checkered front strap trigger gaurd and mainspring houseing ambi saftey beavertail grip saftey and beveled magwell
and im thinking (complete sacrolidge here) the frame with the rail as well

i KNOW without a shadow of a doubt i can run a mil-spec or basic GI 1911 but what alot of people are going to argue is i dont need all that fancy stuff on my gun but my argument back will always be i dont need it i WANT it

DAVIDSDIVAD · November 6, 2009, 01:00 AM

LOL, The spartan is pretty much the same thing as an RIA.

cyclopsshooter · November 6, 2009, 01:13 AM

700 will get you a good used colt

FYI: STI, Rock Island, Citadell, and any other Armscor's frames are cast

does anyone know if the Springfields are forged or cast?

Demitrios · November 6, 2009, 05:34 AM

FYI, while it's true that STI Spartans are cast that's because they are the lower end of STI. If you get yourself a Trojan you're getting yourself a quality piece. But don't take my word for it, talk to the guys who use them in competition shooting (I am talking about the STI Edge which I'm well aware is a polymer frame).

redactor · November 6, 2009, 12:35 PM

For around $700, you should be able to find either a Springfield "Loaded" or a Kimber "Custom II." You may have to look around a bit to find them at that price, or go with a "Gently Used" one.

The Kimber has MIM parts, but big deal. It is made in the USA... well at least if you count NY as the USA.

The Springfield is made in Brazil (like the Taurus), but big deal. They have a lifetime warranty.

These have some out-of-the-box features you'd probably want to add to a standard "GI" version, namely a beaver-tail safety (most people like), decent sights, and good triggers.

If you buy new, it is a toss-up between the two. If you buy used, get a Springfield simply because of the warranty.

You also have the option of buying the Rock Island Tactical for around $400. It also has everything you need, and much of what you want. The frame is cast, but again, so what? As long as you don't tear it up, the RI will probably hold a higher percentage of its value than the other two... There's just not much room for them to get any cheaper. Spend the rest on finding out which magazine works best with your particular gun. I seem to remember that these ship with Novak's magazines, which are high quality, though not all guns like them. You should also try Chip McCormick "Power Mags" (not "Shooting Star"), and Wilson Combat's 47D.

Rumor mill has it that Ruger has a budget, high quality 1911 in the oven. You could wait for that.

redactor · November 6, 2009, 12:39 PM

Oh, and for what it's worth, the Taurus owners I know are happy. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one (except for that pimped-out looking one, that thing is hideous).

I have seen places like one of my local gun shops and Gander Mtn charge $750 for the standard bottom-line PT1911. Don't fall for that. I think you can still find them around for $525.

Dimis · November 7, 2009, 11:15 PM

yea local gun shop sells them new for a little over 500 thats one of the things that peaked my interest

DRYHUMOR · November 8, 2009, 05:23 AM

You could always wait till tax refund time, and have a few more dollars to add to your fund.

Quack · November 8, 2009, 10:22 AM

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does anyone know if the Springfields are forged or cast?

all Springfields are forged by IMBEL in Brazil

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The Springfield is made in Brazil (like the Taurus), but big deal. They have a lifetime warranty.

but the difference is that IMBEL forges them for Springfield and have been doing so since Springfield Armory (Geneseo, IL) started selling 1911's

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FYI, while it's true that STI Spartans are cast that's because they are the lower end of STI. If you get yourself a Trojan you're getting yourself a quality piece.

The Trojan is also a cast frame, though it is made in the USA.

i say a Springfield mil-spec. it's a great gun to use as it is, or for a base gun for a future build.

gyvel · November 8, 2009, 02:59 PM

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i KNOW without a shadow of a doubt i can run a mil-spec or basic GI 1911 but what alot of people are going to argue is i dont need all that fancy stuff on my gun but my argument back will always be i dont need it i WANT it

Well, THAT'S different.

That I can understand.

To be honest, 99% of the stuff in my gun room are things that I wanted, not needed.

November 5, 2009, 01:29 PM	#26
rellascout Member Join Date: December 22, 2004 Posts: 1,427	Dan Wessons are $900+ guns these days. Not in the same price range as a Taurus. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=477915 __________________ “It’s just a tool box. You pick the tool for the job.” -Sam from Ronin "It's just a gun it does not define you as a human being. Don't make a bigger deal out of it then it needs to be. It just a tool."

November 5, 2009, 01:33 PM	#27
surjimmy Member Join Date: March 21, 2007 Posts: 495	I carry a Les Baer and wanted a 1911 that I wouldn't be sick if it got a ding on it when I took it to the woods. Asked a lot of questions from other high end 1911 owners. 100% told me Rock Island Tactical. I bought one, now I'm not going to say this sub $500 gun will do everything my $1700 plus gun will do (cause I'd look like a fool) but Dang! 15 yards one ragged hole. Will eat anything you feed it. Outstanding weapon. The only thing, the mag it came with did not even get through 8 rounds FTF. Changed to Wilson mags not a problem since. I like Taurus but in my experience and have read a bunch others their customer service is non existing. ( Could anyone PM me and tell me about the Norinco, I have a chance to buy one in the box for under $500) Last edited by surjimmy; November 5, 2009 at 01:39 PM.

November 5, 2009, 03:09 PM	#28
mljdeckard Member Join Date: June 5, 2006 Location: The Holy City of Ogden, UT Posts: 4,969	Really. Exactly what is it that your $1700 gun will do that the RIA won't do? __________________ ALL I NEED TO KNOW I LEARNED BEFORE HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT: Scholar John Lott recalls Obama saying, "I don't believe that people should be able to own guns."

November 5, 2009, 03:39 PM	#29
DRYHUMOR Member Join Date: July 6, 2008 Posts: 1,315	http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=483436 how about this one? __________________ "Until the day of his death, no man can be sure of his courage"

November 5, 2009, 04:26 PM	#30
Demitrios Member Join Date: August 12, 2008 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 239	You might want to look into Citadel. They're the same company as RIA (owned by Armscor) and you can get one with some nice bells and whistles for a very good price, about $400 I think. Look under Legacy Sports as well. __________________ - Rationale and logic are not the forte of those in need of making a statement. - "The difference between an immature man and a mature an is that an immature man will die for a noble cause, a mature man will live humbly for one." -J.D. Salinger.

November 5, 2009, 05:04 PM	#31
surjimmy Member Join Date: March 21, 2007 Posts: 495	mljdeckard.... Since I paid $1200 more it has to be something, I just don't know what it is yet. Oh I know it made my wallet thinner, and my wife madder.

November 5, 2009, 07:59 PM	#33
atomd Member Join Date: July 7, 2006 Location: Maine Posts: 461	I bought a Dan Wesson Heritage factory blemish model for $779 this year. The blemishes are hilariously small and some people can't even find them. Heck of a gun for the money. Well...heck of a gun regardless of the money. For less money I would look at the STI Spartan. I would also consider a Springfield Mil-Spec. For less than that I would then look at the RIA Tactical. People are saying the Metro Arms models are comparable to the RIA. Some say nicer. Personally, I don't go for the out of spec crap and all that 80 series nonsense or guns with stupid locks in them. They can keep all that junk. __________________ Though I walk through the Valley of Death, I fear no evil Cuz I believe in Billy Jack, I believe in Evel Knievel!

November 6, 2009, 12:49 AM	#34
Dimis Member Join Date: August 28, 2008 Location: Delaware Posts: 705	Rellascout my realistic budget would be a MAXIMUM of 700 but i dont want to come that close if at all possable gyvel i like some of the features of the taurus like forwrd cocking serrations checkered front strap trigger gaurd and mainspring houseing ambi saftey beavertail grip saftey and beveled magwell and im thinking (complete sacrolidge here) the frame with the rail as well i KNOW without a shadow of a doubt i can run a mil-spec or basic GI 1911 but what alot of people are going to argue is i dont need all that fancy stuff on my gun but my argument back will always be i dont need it i WANT it __________________ When the Zombies come will YOU be ready? No man wants to stand in front of a "JUDGE"

November 6, 2009, 01:13 AM	#36
cyclopsshooter Member Join Date: May 13, 2009 Location: Ellensburg, WA Posts: 679	700 will get you a good used colt FYI: STI, Rock Island, Citadell, and any other Armscor's frames are cast does anyone know if the Springfields are forged or cast? __________________ The number of people who mix up the words "than" and "then" boggles the mind... (Than - comparisons) (Then - timing)

November 6, 2009, 05:34 AM	#37
Demitrios Member Join Date: August 12, 2008 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 239	FYI, while it's true that STI Spartans are cast that's because they are the lower end of STI. If you get yourself a Trojan you're getting yourself a quality piece. But don't take my word for it, talk to the guys who use them in competition shooting (I am talking about the STI Edge which I'm well aware is a polymer frame). __________________ - Rationale and logic are not the forte of those in need of making a statement. - "The difference between an immature man and a mature an is that an immature man will die for a noble cause, a mature man will live humbly for one." -J.D. Salinger.

November 6, 2009, 12:35 PM	#38
redactor Member Join Date: March 7, 2007 Location: Huntsvegas, AL Posts: 179	For around $700, you should be able to find either a Springfield "Loaded" or a Kimber "Custom II." You may have to look around a bit to find them at that price, or go with a "Gently Used" one. The Kimber has MIM parts, but big deal. It is made in the USA... well at least if you count NY as the USA. The Springfield is made in Brazil (like the Taurus), but big deal. They have a lifetime warranty. These have some out-of-the-box features you'd probably want to add to a standard "GI" version, namely a beaver-tail safety (most people like), decent sights, and good triggers. If you buy new, it is a toss-up between the two. If you buy used, get a Springfield simply because of the warranty. You also have the option of buying the Rock Island Tactical for around $400. It also has everything you need, and much of what you want. The frame is cast, but again, so what? As long as you don't tear it up, the RI will probably hold a higher percentage of its value than the other two... There's just not much room for them to get any cheaper. Spend the rest on finding out which magazine works best with your particular gun. I seem to remember that these ship with Novak's magazines, which are high quality, though not all guns like them. You should also try Chip McCormick "Power Mags" (not "Shooting Star"), and Wilson Combat's 47D. Rumor mill has it that Ruger has a budget, high quality 1911 in the oven. You could wait for that.

November 6, 2009, 12:39 PM	#39
redactor Member Join Date: March 7, 2007 Location: Huntsvegas, AL Posts: 179	Oh, and for what it's worth, the Taurus owners I know are happy. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one (except for that pimped-out looking one, that thing is hideous). I have seen places like one of my local gun shops and Gander Mtn charge $750 for the standard bottom-line PT1911. Don't fall for that. I think you can still find them around for $525.

November 7, 2009, 11:15 PM	#40
Dimis Member Join Date: August 28, 2008 Location: Delaware Posts: 705	yea local gun shop sells them new for a little over 500 thats one of the things that peaked my interest __________________ When the Zombies come will YOU be ready? No man wants to stand in front of a "JUDGE"

November 8, 2009, 05:23 AM	#41
DRYHUMOR Member Join Date: July 6, 2008 Posts: 1,315	You could always wait till tax refund time, and have a few more dollars to add to your fund. __________________ "Until the day of his death, no man can be sure of his courage"

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