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Old February 6, 2010, 11:20 PM   #1301
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Old February 6, 2010, 11:25 PM   #1302
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... joined specifically to learn more on "the 642 part one/duex" thread...then I discover the M&P 340 thread!

Great to be here and have A LOT to learn and significant decisions to make.
FLG, welcome to THR.

Man oh man, you do have some decisions to make.

But you've done a fine job in narrowing down your choices.

IMO, it all boils down to one question : how much do you want to shoot .357 mag out of an airweight revolver?

If your answer is at least "sometimes", then your choice should be M&P340.

If your answer is "I don't need that", then ... well, you can figure that part out.
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Old February 7, 2010, 03:30 PM   #1303
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IMO, it all boils down to one question : how much do you want to shoot .357 mag out of an airweight revolver?

If your answer is at least "sometimes", then your choice should be M&P340.

If your answer is "I don't need that", then ... well, you can figure that part out.
That is partially true. In my mind that ranks down the list to number 3 of why I have a 340.
1) Weight 2.5 ounces less than the X42 which in pocket carry is a big deal to me, but that's just me.
2) XS standard dot and night sights is IMO the best sighting system on a snub. Better than a blade, better than a light pipe.
3) .357 capable. (or if you will 100% of the genre, .38 spl, plus P and .357). Not 1/3 not 2/3 but 3/3.
That's alot of versatility.
4) Finish.

Heck if I were loaded with money I would buy a 340PD and have the XS sights put on. Lighter yet (12 ounces) and I would be running Plus P in it just like I do my M&P.

I am fortunate that recoil is not an issue at this point in my life. Paticularly when the going gets tough. It will not be an issue. Weight and comfort are a big deal and is the difference between having the thing with you or not when you need it. When recoil does become an issue I am getting that 11 ounce 351C in .22Mag (7 rounds).

To prove a point there are times when I don't even want to carry the 340 but I never go out the door without something. Something right now is a Seecamp .380 but if it weren't the Seecamp it would be something like an Ruger LCP. They are so inexpensive, small and light maybe a pair. Which had it or some of the other lighter .380s been available when I bought the Seecamp that would have worked as-well.
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Old February 11, 2010, 08:38 PM   #1304
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It arrived today. I ordered this $650 gun sight unseen based solely on the high praise in this thread. I am not disappointed. I was immediately impressed by the fit and finish and how well it fit my hand.

I grabbed a handful of paper plates and a couple boxes of ammo, regular 38's and +P (WWB) and went to the edge of the woods behind my house. I have a Taurus 85UL, so I expected the recoil to be a little bit more than that due to the 3 1/2 ounce lighter weight of the MP 340. I'm not sure why, but the recoil was LESS. After reading all of the adjectives applied to 357 magnum (brutal, insane, bloody, punishing, etc) I thought I would skip that caliber. But after the +P's were so tame I'm looking forward to trying some.

After getting the feel of the gun I wanted to shoot for accuracy. I'm no marksman, but I actually shot a 1 1/4" group at 21 feet. 5 bullets in 4 holes in a rectangle 1" x 1 1/4". I measured it with a tape measure. And the group was at the center of POA. I'm happy!
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Old February 18, 2010, 05:13 PM   #1305
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Update

Well the 340PD arrived at the FLL and I got to visit it today. Man is that thing light! The FLL couldn't believe I bought one of those hand cannons. He said it would take my arm off. I said, "I know".

I've taken the paperwork to the courthouse. (Should be able to pick up the gun next week)
I have my Mika roundcut.
I've reloaded my 357 practice ammo in various bullet weights, and charges.
I've picked up 2 boxes of 135gr 38spl +P GDSB, and 2 boxes of 357 Hornady Critical defense.

Did I miss anything?
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Old February 18, 2010, 06:43 PM   #1306
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"Did I miss anything?"

Yes. Some Rem 38S12s--the "FBI load." You might also find the Federals, but the Remington seems to generally be more available.

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Old February 18, 2010, 07:38 PM   #1307
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"Did I miss anything?"

Yes. Some Rem 38S12s--the "FBI load." You might also find the Federals, but the Remington seems to generally be more available.

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Ah. I actually have a handfull of the Federal Nyclads.
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Old February 19, 2010, 12:35 AM   #1308
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I don't think Federal ever did a Nyclad in that spec, did they? The Rem 38S12 is the Plus-P 158-gr. LSWC-HP round.

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Old February 19, 2010, 01:08 AM   #1309
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In my mind that ranks down the list to number 3 of why I have a 340.
1) Weight 2.5 ounces less than the X42 which in pocket carry is a big deal to me, but that's just me.
2) XS standard dot and night sights is IMO the best sighting system on a snub. Better than a blade, better than a light pipe.
3) .357 capable. (or if you will 100% of the genre, .38 spl, plus P and .357). Not 1/3 not 2/3 but 3/3.
That's alot of versatility.
4) Finish.
Good points.

You might yet convince me to buy one someday.
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Old February 19, 2010, 08:46 AM   #1310
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would like to put M&P340's front sight on my 340PD
be nice to gain MP340 better sighting while retaining 340PD's lighter weight.

does anyone know the part number/brand and best place to buy?
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Old February 19, 2010, 05:00 PM   #1311
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I don't think Federal ever did a Nyclad in that spec, did they? The Rem 38S12 is the Plus-P 158-gr. LSWC-HP round.

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That's what it says on the box.
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Old February 19, 2010, 05:47 PM   #1312
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help please....

XS sights small dot seems to be stock on MP 340

spoke with the mfg and they recommend the large dot.

so which is better?

small dot like stock MP 340 or get a large dot?

this is going on my 340PD
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Old February 19, 2010, 06:12 PM   #1313
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for joeschmoe: well, well, I learned something new.

for _cy_: "which is better" is really a personal preference, I think. Maybe the best thing to do is to try to get to a gunshop and check them both out if you can.

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Old February 19, 2010, 07:04 PM   #1314
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unfortunately don't have option of trying both small & large XS dots out.

for those of you that's got MP 340 with stock (small) XS front sights....
do you wish front sight dot was bigger?
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Old February 19, 2010, 08:02 PM   #1315
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_CY_: I have the M&P 340 with the small dot. (Go back to about page 49-50 for pictures of it with a 360). I prefer the small dot--as does DAdams, for another, IIRC. My preference comes with a caveat about "aging eyes."

However, I also have put a CT 405 laser grip on the gun, (or on other j-frames) and don't use the sights, save for intermittent "flash-sighting" practice. I'm moving along with learning to point shoot with these kinds of carry guns.

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Old March 5, 2010, 09:47 PM   #1316
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First range trip with 340PD

Well, after a big snowstorm and a brief delay, I finally picked up my new 340PD. I immediately replaced the factory grips with CT LG405 laser grips. I was at the range the following day to try it out.

I brought 148gr wadcutters, 158gr semi wadcutters, and 125gr JHPs, as well as 135 gr GDSB, and Federal 158gr SWCHP nyclads all in 38 special. I also brought the new Hornady Critical Defense in 357 Magnum.

As expected the recoil was mild in the 148gr wadcutters, and increased as I moved up through the various loads. The Gold Dots, and the Federal nyclads, packed a pretty good punch, but did not bother me much. The Hornady Critical Defense in 357 Magnum definitely stung the palm of my hand, but I felt it was very manageable. As many others have said, it was not as bad as I expected. No cut knuckles, no blood, and definitely not an off-putting experience. I was very impressed with the accuracy of this round, and felt that it was very shootable in this gun. This will most likely be my carry ammo.

Interestingly I also tested the 9mm 115gr Gold Dot, and the 125gr Hornady Critical Defense, in my Kel-Tec P11. Not only did the Critical Defense feed more reliably, the recoil and accuracy were much better than the Gold Dot, in my Kel-Tec. The difference between the two was dramatic. I think Hornady has come up with some pretty good stuff.

But to get back to the 340PD, I have to say that so far I love it. I think that the combination of the HiViz front sight with the CT laser grip, gives me the best of both worlds. In low light the laser is easy to see. In bright light the bright green HiViz sight is easy to see. But best of all is the light weight. At half the weight of my Model 60, it is much more comfortable to pocket carry. I'm pretty sure this will be the gun I carry 90% of the time, and I can't wait to get out there and shoot it some more.
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Old March 6, 2010, 08:55 AM   #1317
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This may sound stupid to most people, but is the 340 M&P safe to drop? Basically, will it fire if dropped?
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Old March 6, 2010, 10:26 AM   #1318
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Thanks for the excellent report. The great thing about all the "horror" stories about the light snubs is when you get to the reality of trying said out it is kind of disappointing Kind of like a "is that all there is" feeling. Well, almost....

CY

With the CT grips I don't know that I would worry about putting a XS sight on but if I did I would probably still do the Standard size. I'm not sure how the Big Dot would appear in the gutter. The M&P was designed with the gutter and Dot in size perspective per distance held. I'm sure with some practice thought that you would find out real soon the appropriate sight picture.

Did you get your Bianchi Speedstrips to flesh out the "kit", and a carrier for same? I keep meaning to order one either in nylon or leather. Leather is nice looking with a snap as opposed to noisy velcro and the leather would clear the pocket faster.

I'll have to pick up some Hornady CD in .357 and give it a try. Do a side by side with the SGDFSB in .357.

Jim

Have you tried and chrono'd the Hornady out of your 340 perchance?

geronimo-

Discharge while dropping, no more so than any Centennial Series. There is nothing "cocked". Trigger must be fully pulled to discharge hence the liklihood would be virtually impossible.
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Old March 11, 2010, 10:09 PM   #1319
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I have

been meaning to buy one of these for quite some time. I looked at some ballistic nylon units from Cabellas and they got good ratings with the exception of the noisy hook and loop disengagement.

I think the leather would slide out of the pocket easier and could be opened with little to no noise. Classier looking too.


This fits in this.



http://www.dillonprecision.com/conte...38_357_6_round

Will take .38 spl or .357.
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Old March 11, 2010, 10:33 PM   #1320
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DAdams:--not yet; the snow is not yet gone--and we are now into springtime mud trails instead of roads at the range.

However, the Hornady Critical Defense stuff will be chrono'd, probably one of the first go-rounds.

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However, the Hornady Critical Defense stuff will be chrono'd, probably one of the first go-rounds.
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Looking forward to your shooting impressions and chrono job.
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Anything in the rumor mill about this model being produced without the internal lock? I know they have done runs of 642/442 with no lock, and the M&P auto loaders are offered without the lock. I will keep checking back with S&W to see if they do so.

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Old March 12, 2010, 09:13 AM   #1323
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Anything in the rumor mill about this model being produced without the internal lock?
I have not heard such. But the way S&W is going it would not surprise me to see it show up some day w/o the ILS.

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Old March 12, 2010, 12:56 PM   #1324
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Hello all,

I've had an M&P 340 on order for several weeks now at my local dealer. Whenever I call to inquire, they tell me that S&W doesn't tell them when they'll ship, they have no idea when they'll come in, and they have no idea how many they'll get. I ordered it through the LEO/military pricing program, so it pays to wait rather than buy the civvie one they have on hand. I've heard that S&W fills their LEO orders before civilian orders; can anyone confirm?

Also, this whole deal with S&W holding dealers at bay sounds a lot like the tactics Harley Davidson used in the mid-to-late '90s. They made however many they wanted, whenever they wanted, and shipped whatever they wanted. Kept customers and dealers waiting for months. Eventually, the other manufacturers made better products, and now H-Ds are actually depreciating! Am I the only one to see the writing on the wall here?

I understand that CCW guns are in high demand now, and the 340 just may be the ultimate CCW. But we're talking about a J-frame here, people! The tooling for these have been around for over a half century! Is the wait really necessary, or is the factory trying to keep the dogs salivating?
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Welcome.

I don't know what the delivery status is on 340s. Nor do I have any insight into who gets what and in what order. No help I know.

I would guess though that if you were paying full MSRP you might move to the head of the line. Money talks.

Bud's has the CT version in stock and ready to deliver...

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/i...cPath/21_39_72

You might give these guys a call...

http://www.shootersjax.com/small-frame-j.aspx

See what their disposition is. I think three individuals on this thread bought from Jax Shooters.

I bought mine from Randy's but that was three years ago when they first came out....

http://www.randyshuntingcenter.com/S...html#anchor_81

Here is one ready to go:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/929845024...0_revolver.htm

I'll bet if you call around you can find them in stock and on the dealers shelves.

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This seems to be the operative statement.

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Based on shelf stock I found in ten minutes...it is the discount program that is keeping you waiting.
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